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Old 14 Jul 2006, 12:37 am
Doug
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Default Civic city driving, D3 or D?

Hi Group,

I am an owner of a 05' Civic, which comes with an auto transmission. I
have always been driving with D, until I accidently read about the D3
shift yesterday.

The owner manual claimed that in stop and go situation, driver should
put the shift in D3 so that the trans will not be shifted to the 4th
gear. This makes sense to me. However, I still wonder if I should do
this in my case.

I drive about 8 miles each way to work. There are several cross
sections so normally I would be stopped several times. However the city
speed limit here is relatively high (40mph). When I put the shift at
D3, at a speed of 40mph, I feel the engine does not have much more to
give.

I wonder if there is a maximum (proper) speed for the third gear. I
have never driven a manual car before so I honestly have no idea.

Also just for the sake of curiosity, at 40mph, which gear will yield a
better gas mileage per gallon, the third gear or the fourth?

Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Doug

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Old 14 Jul 2006, 07:26 am
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Default Re: Civic city driving, D3 or D?

"Doug" <douglas_dou@yahoo.com> wrote
> Hi Group,
>
> I am an owner of a 05' Civic, which comes with an auto transmission. I
> have always been driving with D, until I accidently read about the D3
> shift yesterday.
>
> The owner manual claimed that in stop and go situation, driver should
> put the shift in D3 so that the trans will not be shifted to the 4th
> gear. This makes sense to me. However, I still wonder if I should do
> this in my case.
>
> I drive about 8 miles each way to work. There are several cross
> sections so normally I would be stopped several times. However the city
> speed limit here is relatively high (40mph). When I put the shift at
> D3, at a speed of 40mph, I feel the engine does not have much more to
> give.


I believe what is says is that the stop and go has to be a span of a
really short distance. D3 is a great choice for driving in a crowded
downtown, but if the distances between stops increase then put it on D.

> I wonder if there is a maximum (proper) speed for the third gear. I
> have never driven a manual car before so I honestly have no idea.


About 39mph.

> Also just for the sake of curiosity, at 40mph, which gear will yield a
> better gas mileage per gallon, the third gear or the fourth?


39mph is the point where it'll shift to fourth. My best answer is fourth.











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Old 14 Jul 2006, 09:04 am
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Default Re: Civic city driving, D3 or D?

Doug wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
> I am an owner of a 05' Civic, which comes with an auto transmission. I
> have always been driving with D, until I accidently read about the D3
> shift yesterday.
>
> The owner manual claimed that in stop and go situation, driver should
> put the shift in D3 so that the trans will not be shifted to the 4th
> gear. This makes sense to me. However, I still wonder if I should do
> this in my case.


the owner manual for this vehicle or for some other automatic?

>
> I drive about 8 miles each way to work. There are several cross
> sections so normally I would be stopped several times. However the city
> speed limit here is relatively high (40mph). When I put the shift at
> D3, at a speed of 40mph, I feel the engine does not have much more to
> give.


that engine will still pull in D3 at 90+mph, so "the engine does not
have much more to give" isn't anything to worry about.

bottom line, the transmission control on that vehicle is all electronic
control, unlike old fashioned autos. sophisticated shift algorithms
mean it doesn't shift back and forth unnecessarily. and better than
that, it also "learns" what patterns work best for your driving style
and usual trip routing. just leave it in D and forget about it.

>
> I wonder if there is a maximum (proper) speed for the third gear. I
> have never driven a manual car before so I honestly have no idea.


yes, it's up near 90mph.

>
> Also just for the sake of curiosity, at 40mph, which gear will yield a
> better gas mileage per gallon, the third gear or the fourth?


4th, on the flat.

>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Regards,
> Doug

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Old 15 Jul 2006, 10:38 pm
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Default Re: Civic city driving, D3 or D?

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:26:50 GMT, "Burt" <burtsquareman@none.com>
wrote:

>"Doug" <douglas_dou@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I am an owner of a 05' Civic, which comes with an auto transmission. I
>> have always been driving with D, until I accidently read about the D3
>> shift yesterday.
>>
>> The owner manual claimed that in stop and go situation, driver should
>> put the shift in D3 so that the trans will not be shifted to the 4th
>> gear. This makes sense to me. However, I still wonder if I should do
>> this in my case.
>>
>> I drive about 8 miles each way to work. There are several cross
>> sections so normally I would be stopped several times. However the city
>> speed limit here is relatively high (40mph). When I put the shift at
>> D3, at a speed of 40mph, I feel the engine does not have much more to
>> give.


If you put the peddle down in third gear at 40mph it will go like
hell. It may even downshift into second. You are hearing the engine
rev a little and it is scaring you. The engine could run forever at
that speed but it will be quieter and get better mpg if you let it
shift into fourth.

>I believe what is says is that the stop and go has to be a span of a
>really short distance. D3 is a great choice for driving in a crowded
>downtown, but if the distances between stops increase then put it on D.
>
>> I wonder if there is a maximum (proper) speed for the third gear. I
>> have never driven a manual car before so I honestly have no idea.

>
>About 39mph.


39 is a fine place to shift into fourth in normal use but it is
nowhere near the maximum speed in third.

As for when to use D3: if you find that the transmission is shifting
between third and fourth (due to terrain, fluctuating speeds, barely
shifting into fourth before you let up for the next light) then use
D3. If it is staying in fourth for at least 20 seconds each time it
gets there, then use D4. The only other time to use D3 (or even D2 or
D1) is in descending grades. In that case, use whatever gear is
necessary to keep brake use at a minimum.


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Old 17 Jul 2006, 09:18 am
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"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote

> 39 is a fine place to shift into fourth in normal use but it is
> nowhere near the maximum speed in third.


The maximum proper speed is 39 at half throttle on a flat road, but the
maximum speed is 96 or where ever the rev limiter ends. The proper
speed is based on engine lugging, or throttle position. The proper speed
is programmed by the automaker. If you asked them, they would say
the proper speed for 3rd gear is 35-96 based on throttle position.

> As for when to use D3: if you find that the transmission is shifting
> between third and fourth (due to terrain, fluctuating speeds, barely
> shifting into fourth before you let up for the next light) then use
> D3. If it is staying in fourth for at least 20 seconds each time it
> gets there, then use D4. The only other time to use D3 (or even D2 or
> D1) is in descending grades. In that case, use whatever gear is
> necessary to keep brake use at a minimum.


D1 is mainly used for slippery conditions such as snow, ice at low-speed.
Descending on D1 could be damaging to the transmission when
up-shifting, and the chance of over-reving is high.



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Old 20 Jul 2006, 04:58 pm
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Default Re: Civic city driving, D3 or D?

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:18:26 GMT, "Burt" <burtsquareman@none.com>
wrote:

>"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote
>
>> 39 is a fine place to shift into fourth in normal use but it is
>> nowhere near the maximum speed in third.

>
>The maximum proper speed is 39 at half throttle on a flat road, but the
>maximum speed is 96 or where ever the rev limiter ends. The proper
>speed is based on engine lugging, or throttle position. The proper speed
>is programmed by the automaker. If you asked them, they would say
>the proper speed for 3rd gear is 35-96 based on throttle position.


I don't doubt that 39 is the optimal shift point set by Honda
engineers for certain conditions, but forcing it to into a higher than
optimum rpm (within reason) won't hurt anything. For example, in
descending a long grade, if third gear keeps the speed at a safe 45 or
even 50 then that is the gear that should be used.

>> As for when to use D3: if you find that the transmission is shifting
>> between third and fourth (due to terrain, fluctuating speeds, barely
>> shifting into fourth before you let up for the next light) then use
>> D3. If it is staying in fourth for at least 20 seconds each time it
>> gets there, then use D4. The only other time to use D3 (or even D2 or
>> D1) is in descending grades. In that case, use whatever gear is
>> necessary to keep brake use at a minimum.

>
>D1 is mainly used for slippery conditions such as snow, ice at low-speed.
>Descending on D1 could be damaging to the transmission when
>up-shifting, and the chance of over-reving is high.


D1 could be damaging on upshift? I don't think that makes sense. If
you mean that it could be damaging to downshift into first at too high
a speed, that is theoretically true but I don't think the AT will
actually allow that to happen. Descending in D1 (if that option is
even available) would be for extreme grades. If the hill is so steep
that it would over-rev in D1, you may have to use the brakes to keep
the speed *very* low, like 5 mph. Better yet; find another road.




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