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Old 13 Jun 2006, 09:14 pm
the loner
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Default update on emergency brake warning light

Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't start, like the way a
dead battery sounds. I kept trying, it finally started Plus that brake
warning light was no longer on!!!
Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking alternator. So I left the
car there, and we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'll let you all know
loner


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Old 13 Jun 2006, 09:20 pm
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Default Re: update on emergency brake warning light


"the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't start, like the way a
> dead battery sounds. I kept trying, it finally started Plus that brake
> warning light was no longer on!!!
> Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking alternator. So I left
> the car there, and we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'll let you all know
> loner


BTW, in general, are alternators really expensive? I mean the part
itself--labor is always expensive!
loner
>
>



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Old 13 Jun 2006, 09:57 pm
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Default Re: update on emergency brake warning light

the loner wrote:
>
> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:YLudnb5aF7d9_xLZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't start, like the way a
> > dead battery sounds. I kept trying, it finally started Plus that brake
> > warning light was no longer on!!!
> > Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking alternator. So I left
> > the car there, and we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'll let you all know
> > loner

>
> BTW, in general, are alternators really expensive? I mean the part
> itself--labor is always expensive!
> loner
> >
> >

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Alternators are expensive, but nobody replaces the whole alternator,
just the 'brushes'. I expect your mechanic will suggest a little
Vaseline (for your battery terminals too).

'Curly'
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 10:06 pm
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Default Re: update on emergency brake warning light

"the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote
about an 89 Civic DX sedan
> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote
>> Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't
>> start, like the way a dead battery sounds. I kept
>> trying, it finally started Plus that brake warning light
>> was no longer on!!!
>> Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking
>> alternator. So I left the car there, and we'll see what
>> happens tomorrow. I'll let you all know
>> loner

>
> BTW, in general, are alternators really expensive? I mean
> the part itself--labor is always expensive!


You can get a price on the alternator (possibly rebuilt) at
places like www.slhonda.com and www.hondaautomotiveparts.com
.. Like Curly said, if if the source of the problem is the
alternator, most likely it's just the brushes being too old
and worn.

Here's some info on the subject:
http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id13.html

How old are your alternator and battery, anyway?

If the brushes have never been replaced, the probability is
good it is they.


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Old 13 Jun 2006, 10:30 pm
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"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
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> the loner wrote:
>>
>> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:YLudnb5aF7d9_xLZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> > Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't start, like the way
>> > a
>> > dead battery sounds. I kept trying, it finally started Plus that brake
>> > warning light was no longer on!!!
>> > Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking alternator. So I left
>> > the car there, and we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'll let you all
>> > know
>> > loner

>>
>> BTW, in general, are alternators really expensive? I mean the part
>> itself--labor is always expensive!
>> loner
>> >
>> >

> -----------------------------------------
>
> Alternators are expensive, but nobody replaces the whole alternator,
> just the 'brushes'. I expect your mechanic will suggest a little
> Vaseline (for your battery terminals too).
>
> 'Curly'


Thanks Curly, that's good to know
loner


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Old 13 Jun 2006, 10:35 pm
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"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote
> about an 89 Civic DX sedan
>> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote
>>> Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't start, like the way
>>> a dead battery sounds. I kept trying, it finally started Plus that
>>> brake warning light was no longer on!!!
>>> Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking alternator. So I left
>>> the car there, and we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'll let you all
>>> know
>>> loner

>>
>> BTW, in general, are alternators really expensive? I mean the part
>> itself--labor is always expensive!

>
> You can get a price on the alternator (possibly rebuilt) at places like
> www.slhonda.com and www.hondaautomotiveparts.com . Like Curly said, if if
> the source of the problem is the alternator, most likely it's just the
> brushes being too old and worn.
>
> Here's some info on the subject:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id13.html
>
> How old are your alternator and battery, anyway?
>
> If the brushes have never been replaced, the probability is good it is
> they.


Hi again Elle. thenks for the links. The battery is about 1 1/2 yrs old,
the alternator has brobably never been replaced. I looked through my old
invoices & couldn't find anyting, but as I said, there's only 62,000 miles
on it, so probably the brushes haven't been replaced
I'll call them tomorrow am and ask about all this. If they do say I need a
new Alternator, do you think that's a rip off? Should I ask for the brushes
to be replaced first, and see how it goes, then get an alternator if the new
brushes don't fix the problem?
Thanks again everybody--probably a new update tomorrow
loner
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>



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Old 13 Jun 2006, 11:17 pm
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"the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
>> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote
>> about an 89 Civic DX sedan
>>> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote
>>>> Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't
>>>> start, like the way a dead battery sounds. I kept
>>>> trying, it finally started Plus that brake warning
>>>> light was no longer on!!!
>>>> Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking
>>>> alternator. So I left the car there, and we'll see what
>>>> happens tomorrow. I'll let you all know
>>>> loner
>>>
>>> BTW, in general, are alternators really expensive? I
>>> mean the part itself--labor is always expensive!

>>
>> You can get a price on the alternator (possibly rebuilt)
>> at places like www.slhonda.com and
>> www.hondaautomotiveparts.com . Like Curly said, if if the
>> source of the problem is the alternator, most likely it's
>> just the brushes being too old and worn.
>>
>> Here's some info on the subject:
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id13.html
>>
>> How old are your alternator and battery, anyway?
>>
>> If the brushes have never been replaced, the probability
>> is good it is they.

>
> Hi again Elle. thenks for the links. The battery is about
> 1 1/2 yrs old,


Done any jumpstarts on it? My site talks about how this will
significantly reduce a battery's life.

But it's more likely the alternator's brushes can no longer
keep the battery charged.

> the alternator has brobably never been replaced. I looked
> through my old invoices & couldn't find anyting, but as I
> said, there's only 62,000 miles on it, so probably the
> brushes haven't been replaced
> I'll call them tomorrow am and ask about all this. If they
> do say I need a new Alternator, do you think that's a rip
> off?


No, not necessarily. ISTM the labor it takes to do just the
brushes can approach the total cost of replacing the whole
alternator.

Other parts go bad on alternators, just not as often.

ISTM a car kept 20 years should need at least one alternator
replacement in the course of those 20 years.

If one is a do-it-yourselfer and has the time, then doing
just the brushes makes sense. This is not so for someone who
doesn't work much on cars and wants a repair that will (1)
last; (2) not lead to throwing good money after bad.

This is my rough impression, based on only one personal
alternator experience, a little exploration on brushes, and
a lot of reading. I am really not sure how often independent
shops are willing to do 'just the brushes.' Look for others'
thoughts on this. Tegger, Socalmike, Michael Pardee, JT,
Curly (among other regulars)?

> Should I ask for the brushes to be replaced first, and see
> how it goes, then get an alternator if the new brushes
> don't fix the problem?
> Thanks again everybody--probably a new update tomorrow



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Old 13 Jun 2006, 11:35 pm
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"the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote in
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> Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't start, like the
> way a dead battery sounds. I kept trying, it finally started Plus
> that brake warning light was no longer on!!!
> Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking alternator.




Why? What did he do to arrive at this diagnosis?





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Old 14 Jun 2006, 12:16 am
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> "the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote in
> news:YLudnb5aF7d9_xLZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> Wento to go to mechanics this morning, car wouldn't start, like the
>> way a dead battery sounds. I kept trying, it finally started Plus
>> that brake warning light was no longer on!!!
>> Took it to mechanic anyway---so far he's thinking alternator.

>
>
>
> Why? What did he do to arrive at this diagnosis?
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Tegger--the only thing I know so far is that there is nothing wrong with
the brake system (fluid, switch, wiring etc). When i tried to start it this
morning, it wouldn't--it felt & sounded like a dead battery, even though my
battery is 1 1/2 yrs old. After about the 7th try, it started.
Coincidently or not, my battery died last week, but I had left the lights on
for about 20 minutes & even then I didn't think the battery would run down
after such a short period. I got a jump & it was fine until this past
weekend-that's when the brake warning light came on,

What are other symptoms of a bad alternator? It hasn't been put in yet, so I
can call him first thing in the morning if I have other options. Thanks
again so much for your interest
loner


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Old 14 Jun 2006, 12:40 am
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"the loner" <theloner@nowhere.com> wrote in
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>


> Hi Tegger--the only thing I know so far is that there is nothing wrong
> with the brake system (fluid, switch, wiring etc). When i tried to
> start it this morning, it wouldn't--it felt & sounded like a dead
> battery, even though my battery is 1 1/2 yrs old. After about the 7th
> try, it started. Coincidently or not, my battery died last week, but I
> had left the lights on for about 20 minutes & even then I didn't think
> the battery would run down after such a short period. I got a jump &
> it was fine until this past weekend-that's when the brake warning
> light came on,
>
> What are other symptoms of a bad alternator?




Under or overcharging, mostly.
http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq5.htm#voltage

Your guy ought to know how to test the battery and charging system. It's
SOP for any good garage.

How did you check the brake light circuit? Did you try unplugging the
wiring at the master cylinder cap?

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