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Old 12 Jun 2006, 06:07 pm
runsrealfast
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Default 1997 civic very dirty oil very quickly

I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
it about a week later the oil is down 2 quarts and its real dirty. This
started about a year ago. I have just been replacing the oil that has
been lost. The car has no loss of performance (that I can feel, power
or mileage) but does make a screaching noise during acceleration. I
have yet to change the timing belt and when that is done the water pump
will get changed, which I have been told will fix the screaching noise.
Anyway I was worried that my K&N cold air intake was letting to much
"junk" into my engine. Is this possible, or is it something completely
different?

runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic

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Old 12 Jun 2006, 10:21 pm
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runsrealfast wrote:
>
> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
> it about a week later the oil is down 2 quarts and its real dirty. This
> started about a year ago. I have just been replacing the oil that has
> been lost. The car has no loss of performance (that I can feel, power
> or mileage) but does make a screaching noise during acceleration. I
> have yet to change the timing belt and when that is done the water pump
> will get changed, which I have been told will fix the screaching noise.
> Anyway I was worried that my K&N cold air intake was letting to much
> "junk" into my engine. Is this possible, or is it something completely
> different?
>
> runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic


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For starters, your PCV is stuck open, (spring might be rusted through)
so it's allowing your oil to be burned invisibly. That can be hard on
the CAT, so you should replace the PCV with an OEM one ASAP.

'Curly'
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 10:52 pm
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Default Re: 1997 civic very dirty oil very quickly

runsrealfast wrote:
> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
> it about a week later the oil is down 2 quarts and its real dirty. This
> started about a year ago. I have just been replacing the oil that has
> been lost. The car has no loss of performance (that I can feel, power
> or mileage) but does make a screaching noise during acceleration. I
> have yet to change the timing belt and when that is done the water pump
> will get changed, which I have been told will fix the screaching noise.
> Anyway I was worried that my K&N cold air intake was letting to much
> "junk" into my engine. Is this possible, or is it something completely
> different?
>
> runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic
>

crud in the oil comes from combustion problems or ingestion of
grit/increased wear - once you mention the k&n intake, all sympathy
disappears. look into the cost of a replacement jdm engine and
refitting the stock air filtration system.
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 05:04 am
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runsrealfast wrote:
>
> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
> it about a week later the oil is down 2 quarts and its real dirty. This
> started about a year ago. I have just been replacing the oil that has
> been lost. The car has no loss of performance (that I can feel, power
> or mileage) but does make a screaching noise during acceleration. I
> have yet to change the timing belt and when that is done the water pump
> will get changed, which I have been told will fix the screaching noise.
> Anyway I was worried that my K&N cold air intake was letting to much
> "junk" into my engine. Is this possible, or is it something completely
> different?
>
> runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic


If a new PVC doesn't help, then you may have to shoot it. Two quarts of oil
a week without any oil leaks is beyond excessive. OK, you don't have to
shoot it, it could need new rings and get rid of the CAI replacing it with
the stock intake. A wet vs. dry compression test might help to pin point a
problem with the rings. By the way, driving around with a screeching water
pump isn't such a great idea. A failed water pump will stop the engine due
to bent valves. However, then you'll be able to run much faster than your
Civic.

Eric
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Old 13 Jun 2006, 10:07 am
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jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in news:V_-
dncjl8IMStRPZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@speakeasy.net:

> once you mention the k&n intake, all sympathy
> disappears.



Ditto.

And hey, have a look at this...
http://home.usadatanet.net/%7Ejbploc...011/SPICER.htm



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Old 13 Jun 2006, 11:18 am
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Eric wrote:
> runsrealfast wrote:
> >
> > I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> > every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
> > it about a week later the oil is down 2 quarts and its real dirty. This
> > started about a year ago. I have just been replacing the oil that has
> > been lost. The car has no loss of performance (that I can feel, power
> > or mileage) but does make a screaching noise during acceleration. I
> > have yet to change the timing belt and when that is done the water pump
> > will get changed, which I have been told will fix the screaching noise.
> > Anyway I was worried that my K&N cold air intake was letting to much
> > "junk" into my engine. Is this possible, or is it something completely
> > different?
> >
> > runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic

>
> If a new PVC doesn't help, then you may have to shoot it. Two quarts of oil
> a week without any oil leaks is beyond excessive. OK, you don't have to
> shoot it, it could need new rings and get rid of the CAI replacing it with
> the stock intake. A wet vs. dry compression test might help to pin point a
> problem with the rings. By the way, driving around with a screeching water
> pump isn't such a great idea. A failed water pump will stop the engine due
> to bent valves. However, then you'll be able to run much faster than your
> Civic.
>
> Eric



I'm not losing quite that much oil I lost 2 quarts about 1000 miles
before I was due for a oil change anyway. But I have been thinking of
getting the stock equipment back into the car and the timeing
belt/water pump is on the to-do-list but my honey-do-list never
shortens so i have not had the chance yet

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Old 14 Jun 2006, 10:05 am
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TeGGeR® wrote:
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in news:V_-
> dncjl8IMStRPZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>
> > once you mention the k&n intake, all sympathy
> > disappears.

>
>
> Ditto.
>
> And hey, have a look at this...
> http://home.usadatanet.net/%7Ejbploc...011/SPICER.htm


thanks for the link, the test looks a little pro AC delco, but I see
the point. Still it makes you a little sceptical when the same filter
gets rated the highest everytime...

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Old 14 Jun 2006, 09:48 pm
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:52:59 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
wrote:

>runsrealfast wrote:
>> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
>> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
>> it about a week later the oil is down 2 quarts and its real dirty. This
>> started about a year ago. I have just been replacing the oil that has
>> been lost. The car has no loss of performance (that I can feel, power
>> or mileage) but does make a screaching noise during acceleration. I
>> have yet to change the timing belt and when that is done the water pump
>> will get changed, which I have been told will fix the screaching noise.
>> Anyway I was worried that my K&N cold air intake was letting to much
>> "junk" into my engine. Is this possible, or is it something completely
>> different?
>>
>> runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic
>>

>crud in the oil comes from combustion problems or ingestion of
>grit/increased wear - once you mention the k&n intake, all sympathy
>disappears. look into the cost of a replacement jdm engine and
>refitting the stock air filtration system.


If your engine is bad, that filter is probably to blame. You ought to
sue them.

If the water pump is screeching you need to get it done yesterday. Is
it leaking coolant?

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Old 15 Jun 2006, 10:31 am
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Gordon McGrew wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:52:59 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
> wrote:


>
> If your engine is bad, that filter is probably to blame. You ought to
> sue them.
>
> If the water pump is screeching you need to get it done yesterday. Is
> it leaking coolant?


no, its funny though it doesn't screech all the time, but yeah I know
it needs to get done just need the time to do it.

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Old 16 Jun 2006, 12:10 am
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On 15 Jun 2006 07:31:54 -0700, "runsrealfast" <tay01020@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>Gordon McGrew wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:52:59 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
>> wrote:

>
>>
>> If your engine is bad, that filter is probably to blame. You ought to
>> sue them.
>>
>> If the water pump is screeching you need to get it done yesterday. Is
>> it leaking coolant?

>
>no, its funny though it doesn't screech all the time, but yeah I know
>it needs to get done just need the time to do it.


I am actually a little skeptical that it really is the water pump. If
it was really the water pump I kinda think you would be looking for a
new engine by now.

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