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Old 11 Jun 2006, 08:05 pm
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Default buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon

I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a private party with
a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks very clean.

I am looking for a car that can last a year without any major repairs.

I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether or not it is a
good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on it?

How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a major repairs?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 11 Jun 2006, 08:29 pm
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<webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a private
>party with
> a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks very
> clean.
>
> I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> major repairs.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether or
> not it is a
> good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on it?
>
> How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a major
> repairs?


106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
//assuming// it's been maintained.

Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it, and
unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
through and at the end.

Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was this
car's timing belt last changed?

Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of the
car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system, tranny,
etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or so
well spent.

edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
condition, geographic location, dealer price, private party
price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.


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Old 12 Jun 2006, 12:20 am
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Thanks for the information Elle.

The person selling the car says that she does not know if the timing
belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car belonged to her
mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving. Besides regular oil
changes, she does not remember her mother doing any service on the car
so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been changed.

I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except for some
receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there were no
maintenance records for the car.

At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed? If it has
not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend the life of
the car? Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
whether or not it has been changed?

One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need to be
replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost $200 to do.
She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost from the sales
price.

I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were no leaks that
she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride as you advise
to make sure.

I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important. My friend
recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes in imports.
Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import shop
mechanic?


Elle wrote:
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a private
> >party with
> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks very
> > clean.
> >
> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> > major repairs.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether or
> > not it is a
> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on it?
> >
> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a major
> > repairs?

>
> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
> //assuming// it's been maintained.
>
> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it, and
> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
> through and at the end.
>
> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was this
> car's timing belt last changed?
>
> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of the
> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system, tranny,
> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or so
> well spent.
>
> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private party
> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.


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Old 12 Jun 2006, 07:18 am
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I'd take a VERY close look at the coolant/radiator situation. If it has
been neglected, RUN from that car. Take it to someone who has seen
damage from dead coolant and trust their information.
Car like that in good condition around here is very desirable. Figure
at least $500 for timing and countershaft and accessory belts, new water
pump and coolant change. Get new oil seals on the front of the engine
too. Look at the fuel lines and power steering lines and gas tank for rust.
Good Luck, and keep in touch. bob
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Old 12 Jun 2006, 08:25 am
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<webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> The person selling the car says that she does not know if
> the timing
> belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car
> belonged to her
> mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving.
> Besides regular oil
> changes, she does not remember her mother doing any
> service on the car
> so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been
> changed.
>
> I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except
> for some
> receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there
> were no
> maintenance records for the car.
>
> At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed?


For the 94 Accord, for "normal driving," the timing belt
should be replaced every 90k miles or six years, whichever
comes first. For "severe driving," the belt is supposed to
be changed every 60k miles, period. "Severe driving"
includes driving in dusty conditions; lots of short distance
driving; driving in extreme cold; and the like.

Autozone.com has a free online repair manual for this
Accord. For the full maintenance schedule ( = frequency of
replacing various basic things), see
http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker...3d800cf09c.jsp

> If it has
> not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend
> the life of
> the car?


Absolutely. The only concern by not replacing it is that it
could break at any time. Timing belts not changed at the
Honda specified interval do break.

If the timing belt breaks, the engine repairs may run into
the thousands of dollars.

> Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
> whether or not it has been changed?


Some clues that it has been changed may be evident, but, no,
not really.

> One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need
> to be
> replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost
> $200 to do.
> She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost
> from the sales
> price.


She most likely means CV boots. One can look under the car
where the axle joins the wheel and see these roughly 1-inch
to 3-inch normally sturdy looking rubber cones. If they have
tears, they need to be replaced immediately, lest dirt and
water ingress into the CV joint, leading to a much more
expensive repair. It's not an unusual repair. Happens maybe
every 8 years or so, depending on where and I suppose how
one drives.

> I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were
> no leaks that
> she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride
> as you advise
> to make sure.


Look for the coolant reservoir, and check its level, too. If
you're not sure where it is, ask. Or, assuming you know
where the radiator is (at the front, under the hood), follow
the small (around 3/8-inch diameter) rubber hose attaching
to the radiator fill neck (just under the radiator cap) to
the reservoir bottle. It has a lid on it through which one
may add more coolant.

> I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important.
> My friend
> recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes
> in imports.
> Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import
> shop
> mechanic?


No, it's not. You might want to start a relationship with an
import shop, though, especially since you know about the CV
boots. Maybe call around and see how much they want in your
area to replace them with new, genuine Honda ones. Call the
local Honda dealer service department, too, for an estimate.
Ask all also how much to do a timing belt, and what all that
would include. It should include a new water pump, new shaft
oil seals (like Bob said), among other things, too.

Do not buy aftermarket parts for the CV boots. Buy only
genuine Honda parts. If you wish, you can buy them online at
a great price and take them to the shop for them to use.

You might want to get the Edmunds.com used car appraiser
price, then deduct the roughly $500 (like NE Bob estimated)
for the timing belt and X dollars, depending on what local
import shops say, for the boots.

I agree with all else NE Ohio Bob says, too: Look for rust,
etc.

Any doubts or concerns, feel free to ask here. Plenty of
others with good experience may chime in, so keep checking
back. Make a list of things you want to check up close, then
follow up.

> Elle wrote:
>> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a
>> >private
>> >party with
>> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks
>> > very
>> > clean.
>> >
>> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
>> > major repairs.
>> >
>> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether
>> > or
>> > not it is a
>> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on
>> > it?
>> >
>> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a
>> > major
>> > repairs?

>>
>> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
>> //assuming// it's been maintained.
>>
>> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
>> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
>> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it,
>> and
>> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
>> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
>> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
>> through and at the end.
>>
>> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was
>> this
>> car's timing belt last changed?
>>
>> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of
>> the
>> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system,
>> tranny,
>> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or
>> so
>> well spent.
>>
>> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
>> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private
>> party
>> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.

>



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Old 12 Jun 2006, 02:16 pm
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Thank you very much Bob and Elle.

I will make a checklist of the points you mentioned and try to find an
import shop mechanic for quotes on the repairs.

I will post back as soon with what I find out.


Elle wrote:
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > The person selling the car says that she does not know if
> > the timing
> > belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car
> > belonged to her
> > mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving.
> > Besides regular oil
> > changes, she does not remember her mother doing any
> > service on the car
> > so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been
> > changed.
> >
> > I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except
> > for some
> > receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there
> > were no
> > maintenance records for the car.
> >
> > At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed?

>
> For the 94 Accord, for "normal driving," the timing belt
> should be replaced every 90k miles or six years, whichever
> comes first. For "severe driving," the belt is supposed to
> be changed every 60k miles, period. "Severe driving"
> includes driving in dusty conditions; lots of short distance
> driving; driving in extreme cold; and the like.
>
> Autozone.com has a free online repair manual for this
> Accord. For the full maintenance schedule ( = frequency of
> replacing various basic things), see
> http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker...3d800cf09c.jsp
>
> > If it has
> > not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend
> > the life of
> > the car?

>
> Absolutely. The only concern by not replacing it is that it
> could break at any time. Timing belts not changed at the
> Honda specified interval do break.
>
> If the timing belt breaks, the engine repairs may run into
> the thousands of dollars.
>
> > Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
> > whether or not it has been changed?

>
> Some clues that it has been changed may be evident, but, no,
> not really.
>
> > One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need
> > to be
> > replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost
> > $200 to do.
> > She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost
> > from the sales
> > price.

>
> She most likely means CV boots. One can look under the car
> where the axle joins the wheel and see these roughly 1-inch
> to 3-inch normally sturdy looking rubber cones. If they have
> tears, they need to be replaced immediately, lest dirt and
> water ingress into the CV joint, leading to a much more
> expensive repair. It's not an unusual repair. Happens maybe
> every 8 years or so, depending on where and I suppose how
> one drives.
>
> > I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were
> > no leaks that
> > she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride
> > as you advise
> > to make sure.

>
> Look for the coolant reservoir, and check its level, too. If
> you're not sure where it is, ask. Or, assuming you know
> where the radiator is (at the front, under the hood), follow
> the small (around 3/8-inch diameter) rubber hose attaching
> to the radiator fill neck (just under the radiator cap) to
> the reservoir bottle. It has a lid on it through which one
> may add more coolant.
>
> > I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important.
> > My friend
> > recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes
> > in imports.
> > Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import
> > shop
> > mechanic?

>
> No, it's not. You might want to start a relationship with an
> import shop, though, especially since you know about the CV
> boots. Maybe call around and see how much they want in your
> area to replace them with new, genuine Honda ones. Call the
> local Honda dealer service department, too, for an estimate.
> Ask all also how much to do a timing belt, and what all that
> would include. It should include a new water pump, new shaft
> oil seals (like Bob said), among other things, too.
>
> Do not buy aftermarket parts for the CV boots. Buy only
> genuine Honda parts. If you wish, you can buy them online at
> a great price and take them to the shop for them to use.
>
> You might want to get the Edmunds.com used car appraiser
> price, then deduct the roughly $500 (like NE Bob estimated)
> for the timing belt and X dollars, depending on what local
> import shops say, for the boots.
>
> I agree with all else NE Ohio Bob says, too: Look for rust,
> etc.
>
> Any doubts or concerns, feel free to ask here. Plenty of
> others with good experience may chime in, so keep checking
> back. Make a list of things you want to check up close, then
> follow up.
>
> > Elle wrote:
> >> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a
> >> >private
> >> >party with
> >> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks
> >> > very
> >> > clean.
> >> >
> >> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> >> > major repairs.
> >> >
> >> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether
> >> > or
> >> > not it is a
> >> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on
> >> > it?
> >> >
> >> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a
> >> > major
> >> > repairs?
> >>
> >> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
> >> //assuming// it's been maintained.
> >>
> >> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
> >> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
> >> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it,
> >> and
> >> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
> >> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
> >> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
> >> through and at the end.
> >>
> >> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was
> >> this
> >> car's timing belt last changed?
> >>
> >> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of
> >> the
> >> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system,
> >> tranny,
> >> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or
> >> so
> >> well spent.
> >>
> >> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
> >> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private
> >> party
> >> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.

> >


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Old 13 Jun 2006, 01:45 pm
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I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord Wagon had
been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership. I called the
dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to look up the car
in their system and learned that it had been serviced three times, but
they only had record of one problem. For that situation, he said the
car was taken in for service because the ABS warning light. I am not
quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said something like they
turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS warning light did
not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it appears it was not
a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say that if
there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to replace.

He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the car. He
said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water pump and
related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace the CV boot
on one axle.

I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they belong to
quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists the Private
Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she already
lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked her mechanic
about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it may or may
not be changed. She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the Edmunds TMV but
the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit Union told her
for car value.

I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if that goes ok,
an inspection.

The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for $80. A couple
of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure whether they are
experienced in Imports though.

I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda Dealership for
the inspection though. Am I right?

I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for the timing
chain and CV Boots also.

Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda Parts. Do all
shop mechanics have access to them?

Thanks again.




webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> Thank you very much Bob and Elle.
>
> I will make a checklist of the points you mentioned and try to find an
> import shop mechanic for quotes on the repairs.
>
> I will post back as soon with what I find out.
>
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > > The person selling the car says that she does not know if
> > > the timing
> > > belt has been changed or not. Apparently, the car
> > > belonged to her
> > > mother who is now elderly and has stopped driving.
> > > Besides regular oil
> > > changes, she does not remember her mother doing any
> > > service on the car
> > > so she tends to think that the timing belt has not been
> > > changed.
> > >
> > > I asked for maintenance records, but she said that except
> > > for some
> > > receipts for tires that were put on not long ago, there
> > > were no
> > > maintenance records for the car.
> > >
> > > At what mileage is the timing belt supposed to be changed?

> >
> > For the 94 Accord, for "normal driving," the timing belt
> > should be replaced every 90k miles or six years, whichever
> > comes first. For "severe driving," the belt is supposed to
> > be changed every 60k miles, period. "Severe driving"
> > includes driving in dusty conditions; lots of short distance
> > driving; driving in extreme cold; and the like.
> >
> > Autozone.com has a free online repair manual for this
> > Accord. For the full maintenance schedule ( = frequency of
> > replacing various basic things), see
> > http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker...3d800cf09c.jsp
> >
> > > If it has
> > > not been changed, can it be changed now in order to extend
> > > the life of
> > > the car?

> >
> > Absolutely. The only concern by not replacing it is that it
> > could break at any time. Timing belts not changed at the
> > Honda specified interval do break.
> >
> > If the timing belt breaks, the engine repairs may run into
> > the thousands of dollars.
> >
> > > Without any service records, can the shop mechanic tell
> > > whether or not it has been changed?

> >
> > Some clues that it has been changed may be evident, but, no,
> > not really.
> >
> > > One thing the owner did say is that the "boots" may need
> > > to be
> > > replaced. She said her mechanic told her it would cost
> > > $200 to do.
> > > She said she would be willing to deduct the repair cost
> > > from the sales
> > > price.

> >
> > She most likely means CV boots. One can look under the car
> > where the axle joins the wheel and see these roughly 1-inch
> > to 3-inch normally sturdy looking rubber cones. If they have
> > tears, they need to be replaced immediately, lest dirt and
> > water ingress into the CV joint, leading to a much more
> > expensive repair. It's not an unusual repair. Happens maybe
> > every 8 years or so, depending on where and I suppose how
> > one drives.
> >
> > > I asked about the coolant situation. She said there were
> > > no leaks that
> > > she knew of, but I will try to take it for a 30 min ride
> > > as you advise
> > > to make sure.

> >
> > Look for the coolant reservoir, and check its level, too. If
> > you're not sure where it is, ask. Or, assuming you know
> > where the radiator is (at the front, under the hood), follow
> > the small (around 3/8-inch diameter) rubber hose attaching
> > to the radiator fill neck (just under the radiator cap) to
> > the reservoir bottle. It has a lid on it through which one
> > may add more coolant.
> >
> > > I understand an inspection from a mechanic is important.
> > > My friend
> > > recommended a mechanic, but I don't know if he specializes
> > > in imports.
> > > Is it absolutely necessary to have it checked by an import
> > > shop
> > > mechanic?

> >
> > No, it's not. You might want to start a relationship with an
> > import shop, though, especially since you know about the CV
> > boots. Maybe call around and see how much they want in your
> > area to replace them with new, genuine Honda ones. Call the
> > local Honda dealer service department, too, for an estimate.
> > Ask all also how much to do a timing belt, and what all that
> > would include. It should include a new water pump, new shaft
> > oil seals (like Bob said), among other things, too.
> >
> > Do not buy aftermarket parts for the CV boots. Buy only
> > genuine Honda parts. If you wish, you can buy them online at
> > a great price and take them to the shop for them to use.
> >
> > You might want to get the Edmunds.com used car appraiser
> > price, then deduct the roughly $500 (like NE Bob estimated)
> > for the timing belt and X dollars, depending on what local
> > import shops say, for the boots.
> >
> > I agree with all else NE Ohio Bob says, too: Look for rust,
> > etc.
> >
> > Any doubts or concerns, feel free to ask here. Plenty of
> > others with good experience may chime in, so keep checking
> > back. Make a list of things you want to check up close, then
> > follow up.
> >
> > > Elle wrote:
> > >> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >> >I recently saw a 1994 Accord LX Wagon for sale by a
> > >> >private
> > >> >party with
> > >> > a 106k miles on it. Asking price was $3900. It looks
> > >> > very
> > >> > clean.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am looking for a car that can last a year without any
> > >> > major repairs.
> > >> >
> > >> > I was wondering if anyone has any comments on whether
> > >> > or
> > >> > not it is a
> > >> > good idea to buy a 94 Accord with this many miles on
> > >> > it?
> > >> >
> > >> > How many miles can a 94 Accord go before it needs a
> > >> > major
> > >> > repairs?
> > >>
> > >> 106k miles is typically mid-life for a c. 1990s Honda
> > >> //assuming// it's been maintained.
> > >>
> > >> Seems like this newsgroup's most frequently reported used
> > >> car major problem is serious cooling system leak. The
> > >> sellers sell them knowing this is a problem but mask it,
> > >> and
> > >> unload it to unsavvy buyers. Drive the car for at least a
> > >> half hour locally; maybe 15 minutes on the highway. Check
> > >> the coolant reservoir level at the beginning, mid-way
> > >> through and at the end.
> > >>
> > >> Obtain maintenance records if at all possible. When was
> > >> this
> > >> car's timing belt last changed?
> > >>
> > >> Consider paying an import shop mechanic to do a check of
> > >> the
> > >> car. S/he should look at the brakes, cooling system,
> > >> tranny,
> > >> etc., catching things you might easily miss. It's $50 or
> > >> so
> > >> well spent.
> > >>
> > >> edmunds.com has a used car appraiser (by mileage, general
> > >> condition, geographic location, dealer price, private
> > >> party
> > >> price, etc.) that might be helpful in pricing.
> > >


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Old 13 Jun 2006, 02:11 pm
Elle
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Default Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon

<webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
>I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
>Wagon had
> been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> I called the
> dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> look up the car
> in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> three times, but
> they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> he said the
> car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> light. I am not
> quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> something like they
> turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> warning light did
> not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> appears it was not
> a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> that if
> there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> replace.
>
> He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> car. He
> said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> pump and
> related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> the CV boot
> on one axle.


Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
high, but the service should be high quality.

> I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> belong to
> quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> the Private
> Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.


I would print these out and offer to show them to the
seller.

She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.

> To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> already
> lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> her mechanic
> about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> may or may
> not be changed.


It's a belt, not a chain.

Only much newer Hondas have the chain.

I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
web sites that speak to this.

If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
this.

> She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> Edmunds TMV but
> the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> Union told her
> for car value.
>
> I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> that goes ok,
> an inspection.


Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
expensive than just the boot.

Here are more suggestions on checking this:
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints

> The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> $80. A couple
> of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> whether they are
> experienced in Imports though.
>
> I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> Dealership for
> the inspection though. Am I right?


Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.

> I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> the timing
> chain and CV Boots also.
>
> Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> Parts. Do all
> shop mechanics have access to them?


Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
provide them. Order the parts online from, say,

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT

If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
other ones like it in your area.

If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
inspection.

Way to be thorough!


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Old 13 Jun 2006, 02:37 pm
webmaster@tfy.com
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Default Re: buying recommendation 94 Accord LX Wagon

I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
and look over the post you advised.

I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
continue to look for other options while the seller considers.

Will post back with the results.

I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
the valuable information.

Elle wrote:
> <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> >Wagon had
> > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > I called the
> > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > look up the car
> > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > three times, but
> > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > he said the
> > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > light. I am not
> > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > something like they
> > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > warning light did
> > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > appears it was not
> > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > that if
> > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > replace.
> >
> > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > car. He
> > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > pump and
> > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > the CV boot
> > on one axle.

>
> Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> high, but the service should be high quality.
>
> > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > belong to
> > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > the Private
> > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

>
> I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> seller.
>
> She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
>
> > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > already
> > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > her mechanic
> > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > may or may
> > not be changed.

>
> It's a belt, not a chain.
>
> Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
>
> I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> web sites that speak to this.
>
> If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> this.
>
> > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > Edmunds TMV but
> > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > Union told her
> > for car value.
> >
> > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > that goes ok,
> > an inspection.

>
> Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> expensive than just the boot.
>
> Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
>
> > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > $80. A couple
> > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > whether they are
> > experienced in Imports though.
> >
> > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > Dealership for
> > the inspection though. Am I right?

>
> Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
>
> > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > the timing
> > chain and CV Boots also.
> >
> > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > Parts. Do all
> > shop mechanics have access to them?

>
> Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
>
> http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
>
> If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> other ones like it in your area.
>
> If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> inspection.
>
> Way to be thorough!


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Old 14 Jun 2006, 08:21 pm
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I just found another vehicle for sale by a car dealer. A 1998 Ford
Escort with 47,800 miles. The dealer wants $5000 for it. Except for a
small ding in the door, it looks to be in excellent condition. I took
it for a test drive and it seems pretty good.

For the 98 Escort, I found the following values:
Edmunds lists the car dealer retail value at $4,006
Nada Guides lists the car value at Average Retail at $4,150 and High
Retail at $4750
Kelly Blue Book suggested retail value is $4,185

The dealer says he will give me a 60 day warranty.

I was wondering which is the better car value, a 94 Accord with 106k
for $3900 (total would be around $4600 when adding the $700 or so for
timing belt, CV boots to the purchase price) or the 98 Escort with 47k
for $5000.

I did not take the Honda for test drive yet, but hope to do so
tomorrow.

webmaster@tfy.com wrote:
> I will be sure to listen carefully for any clicking on the front axle
> and look over the post you advised.
>
> I really like the car. If the coolent, CV joint and vehicle inspection
> check out ok, I figured offering 3200 to 3400 for the car and then
> continue to look for other options while the seller considers.
>
> Will post back with the results.
>
> I appreciate your taking the time to respond so quickly and thanks for
> the valuable information.
>
> Elle wrote:
> > <webmaster@tfy.com> wrote
> > >I learned from a CarFax history report that the 94 Accord
> > >Wagon had
> > > been serviced several times at a local Honda Dealership.
> > > I called the
> > > dealership and spoke with the mechanic. He was able to
> > > look up the car
> > > in their system and learned that it had been serviced
> > > three times, but
> > > they only had record of one problem. For that situation,
> > > he said the
> > > car was taken in for service because the ABS warning
> > > light. I am not
> > > quite sure what they did, but apparently, he said
> > > something like they
> > > turned off the computer and restarted it, and the ABS
> > > warning light did
> > > not come back on. Since it did not come back on, it
> > > appears it was not
> > > a problem. This service was recorded in 2001. He did say
> > > that if
> > > there was a problem with the ABS it would cost $600 to
> > > replace.
> > >
> > > He had no record of the timing chain being replaced on the
> > > car. He
> > > said it would cost $800 to replace the timing chain, water
> > > pump and
> > > related items. He also said it would cost $175 to replace
> > > the CV boot
> > > on one axle.

> >
> > Sounds like the usual dealer prices. In other words, a bit
> > high, but the service should be high quality.
> >
> > > I talked to the seller and they said the Credit Union they
> > > belong to
> > > quoted the sales price of the car at $4100. Edmunds lists
> > > the Private
> > > Party TMV at $3697. NADA lists it at $3975.

> >
> > I would print these out and offer to show them to the
> > seller.
> >
> > She does not have to come down in price. But you're being
> > reasonable. It's worth a try to bring her down, IMO.
> >
> > > To compensate for the CV boots replacement, she said she
> > > already
> > > lowered the price for the car to $3900. The seller asked
> > > her mechanic
> > > about the timing chain replacement and was advised that it
> > > may or may
> > > not be changed.

> >
> > It's a belt, not a chain.
> >
> > Only much newer Hondas have the chain.
> >
> > I suggest you print out the official Honda maintenance
> > schedule cited before and show her that the belt is supposed
> > to be changed every 90k miles/6 years. If it hasn't been
> > changed, it could break at any moment, quite likely causing
> > catastrophic and expensive damage. Also google for {"timing
> > belt" break interference} and print out the most reputable
> > web sites that speak to this.
> >
> > If she's never changed the belt before, she's been negligent
> > in her maintenance. She, not you, should have to pay for
> > this.
> >
> > > She sounds reluctant to lower the price to compensate
> > > for the timing chain replacement. I told her about the
> > > Edmunds TMV but
> > > the seller sounds she will only go with what her Credit
> > > Union told her
> > > for car value.
> > >
> > > I was going to take it for a test drive tomorrow and if
> > > that goes ok,
> > > an inspection.

> >
> > Forgot to mention: On the test drive, listen for clicking
> > coming from the front axles. This is a symptom of a failed
> > CV joint. In other words, the boots might have let enough
> > crud in that the whole joint is failing. That's a lot more
> > expensive than just the boot.
> >
> > Here are more suggestions on checking this:
> > http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq_ii.html#CVjoints
> >
> > > The Honda Dealership said they would inspect the car for
> > > $80. A couple
> > > of friends recommended local mechanics, I am not sure
> > > whether they are
> > > experienced in Imports though.
> > >
> > > I thought it would be best to take the car to the Honda
> > > Dealership for
> > > the inspection though. Am I right?

> >
> > Eighty dollars is a fair price, and I agree the Honda
> > dealership will likely be more savvy about what to check.
> >
> > > I will call the other mechanics to get repair quotes for
> > > the timing
> > > chain and CV Boots also.
> > >
> > > Elle mentioned that the CV boots require Genuine Honda
> > > Parts. Do all
> > > shop mechanics have access to them?

> >
> > Not necessarily. What you can do is use an independent shop,
> > but tell them you want to use genuine Honda parts and will
> > provide them. Order the parts online from, say,
> >
> > http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ry5=DRIVESHAFT
> >
> > If the seller won't come down in price, I guess you have to
> > weigh how soon you need the car and the availability of
> > other ones like it in your area.
> >
> > If she won't come down for the timing belt, I think I'd
> > start checking around now, before paying $80 for the
> > inspection.
> >
> > Way to be thorough!


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