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Old 14 May 2006, 01:54 am
George C.
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Default 2005 Accord Oil Consumption: How much is too much?


I"m wanting to know how much oil consumption is too much?
Is it what the factory would lead one to believe?

I find it hard to believe, and disgusted that I'm expected to believe
that 1 quart per 1000 miles is the acceptable limit.

My 05 Accord, 4 cyl, 5 spd manual, 40 mile commute each way uses far
less, but still uses some.

I'm in a debate wether I should just add oil and not indicate to the
dealer that it consumes oil, so I can trade it in, and say hell with
it. They never told me. I won't tell them. OR find out more about
this oil consumption test, and what it entails. And more importantly
what they'll do about it, if it doesnt meet the 'excess of 1
quart/1000 mile".

I have never missed a scheduled appointment. I keep my tires
inflated. I do run it at 70-75 mph for a good part of my commute.
I warm it up well, and I get 28 - 31 mpg tank to tank.

I'd say that I'm using 1/2 a dipstick mark in 3200 miles.
22,400 miles on the car, and the consumption has seemed the same,
throughout, since new..

Please advise.
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Old 14 May 2006, 04:40 am
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"George C." <harley.davidson@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> I"m wanting to know how much oil consumption is too much?
> Is it what the factory would lead one to believe?
>
> I find it hard to believe, and disgusted that I'm expected to believe
> that 1 quart per 1000 miles is the acceptable limit.


I believe that if a vehicle is using or losing oil, there is something that
is not right.


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Old 14 May 2006, 05:53 am
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Default Re: 2005 Accord Oil Consumption: How much is too much?

harley.davidson@mailcity.com (George C.) wrote in
news:4466d20b.20690501@news.west.earthlink.net:

>
> I"m wanting to know how much oil consumption is too much?
> Is it what the factory would lead one to believe?
>
> I find it hard to believe, and disgusted that I'm expected to believe
> that 1 quart per 1000 miles is the acceptable limit.




1,000 miles bottom limit of "acceptable", and the reason they tell you it's
"acceptable" is because a new motor which has that kind of consumption has
some sort of defect (assuming no abuse or neglect), and will end up being
replaced under warranty soon anyway. So there's no point in doing anything
with it.

Keep a sharp eye on your consumption, make certain you never allow the
level to dip below minimum, and know exactly when your engine's warranty is
up.


>
> My 05 Accord, 4 cyl, 5 spd manual, 40 mile commute each way uses far
> less, but still uses some.
>
> I'm in a debate wether I should just add oil and not indicate to the
> dealer that it consumes oil, so I can trade it in, and say hell with
> it. They never told me. I won't tell them. OR find out more about
> this oil consumption test, and what it entails. And more importantly
> what they'll do about it, if it doesnt meet the 'excess of 1
> quart/1000 mile".




You have to tell them, and tell them as soon as possible. You are still
under warranty. You MUST keep them abreast of this problem and give them
ample opportunity to fix it under the warranty period. If you never bring
it in until the very end of the warranty, they could have cause to be able
to claim neglect or abuse.

Dig up EVERY oil change receipt you have. This will be critical.


>
> I have never missed a scheduled appointment. I keep my tires
> inflated. I do run it at 70-75 mph for a good part of my commute.
> I warm it up well, and I get 28 - 31 mpg tank to tank.
>
> I'd say that I'm using 1/2 a dipstick mark in 3200 miles.
> 22,400 miles on the car, and the consumption has seemed the same,
> throughout, since new..




Oh, I thought you were using a quart per thousand. You're actually using a
quart per 6,400, which is pretty good and nothing to worry about.

Are there TWO cars involved here? You mention only one, but allude to a
second.


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Old 14 May 2006, 07:26 am
L Alpert
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Default Re: 2005 Accord Oil Consumption: How much is too much?

George C. wrote:
> I"m wanting to know how much oil consumption is too much?
> Is it what the factory would lead one to believe?
>
> I find it hard to believe, and disgusted that I'm expected to believe
> that 1 quart per 1000 miles is the acceptable limit.
>
> My 05 Accord, 4 cyl, 5 spd manual, 40 mile commute each way uses far
> less, but still uses some.


My '04 6 cylinder takes no oil in between changes.

>
> I'm in a debate wether I should just add oil and not indicate to the
> dealer that it consumes oil, so I can trade it in, and say hell with
> it. They never told me. I won't tell them. OR find out more about
> this oil consumption test, and what it entails. And more importantly
> what they'll do about it, if it doesnt meet the 'excess of 1
> quart/1000 mile".
>
> I have never missed a scheduled appointment. I keep my tires
> inflated. I do run it at 70-75 mph for a good part of my commute.
> I warm it up well, and I get 28 - 31 mpg tank to tank.
>
> I'd say that I'm using 1/2 a dipstick mark in 3200 miles.
> 22,400 miles on the car, and the consumption has seemed the same,
> throughout, since new..
>
> Please advise.



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Old 14 May 2006, 07:46 am
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"George C." <harley.davidson@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>
>pull the plugs and see if they are burning clean, if so do not worry about
>it. the 2000 or civic si will burn some oil like yours which is normal for
>those cars. Hi reving will burn some. if plugs are clean drive on.



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Old 14 May 2006, 10:26 am
jim beam
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George C. wrote:
> I"m wanting to know how much oil consumption is too much?
> Is it what the factory would lead one to believe?
>
> I find it hard to believe, and disgusted


disgusted??? why? are you an engineer?

> that I'm expected to believe
> that 1 quart per 1000 miles is the acceptable limit.
>
> My 05 Accord, 4 cyl, 5 spd manual, 40 mile commute each way uses far
> less, but still uses some.
>
> I'm in a debate wether I should just add oil and not indicate to the
> dealer that it consumes oil, so I can trade it in, and say hell with
> it. They never told me. I won't tell them. OR find out more about
> this oil consumption test, and what it entails. And more importantly
> what they'll do about it, if it doesnt meet the 'excess of 1
> quart/1000 mile".
>
> I have never missed a scheduled appointment. I keep my tires
> inflated. I do run it at 70-75 mph for a good part of my commute.
> I warm it up well,


does that mean you let it idle on the driveway before moving off? don't
do that. excess fuel is injected at startup and this dilutes the oil
film on the cylinder walls. if you start & drive, [as per the owners
manual], this action is over as quickly as possible. if the motor idles
to warm up, the process is much prolonged - oil gets washed away and burned.

> and I get 28 - 31 mpg tank to tank.
>
> I'd say that I'm using 1/2 a dipstick mark in 3200 miles.
> 22,400 miles on the car, and the consumption has seemed the same,
> throughout, since new..
>
> Please advise.


factory spec has been stated by others. it's possible you have a dud,
so again, as stated by others, keep an eye on the warranty. try the
above and see what happens.
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Old 14 May 2006, 10:43 am
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Default Re: 2005 Accord Oil Consumption: How much is too much?

On Sun, 14 May 2006 06:54:32 GMT, harley.davidson@mailcity.com (George
C.) wrote:

>I'd say that I'm using 1/2 a dipstick mark in 3200 miles.


Are you saying you are using a half a liter (the rest of the world
doesn't know what a quart is) in 3200 miles?
That is about a quart between changes, even if you push it out to 6400
miles. Normal.
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Old 14 May 2006, 11:00 am
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<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Are you saying you are using a half a liter (the rest of the world
> doesn't know what a quart is) in 3200 miles?
> That is about a quart between changes, even if you push it out to 6400
> miles. Normal.


My '01 V6 doesn't lose any oil between oil changes.


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Old 14 May 2006, 11:19 am
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Default Re: 2005 Accord Oil Consumption: How much is too much?

All engines consume oil. It is a plain matter of physics that each time
a piston travels a full cycle, a minute film of oil is deposited on the
cylinder walls and consumed during a power cycle. The amount may vary
depending on the fit efficiency of the the seal, but some oil is ALWAYS
consumed. It can range from barely noticeable to requiring frequent
topping off.

Regarding the "1K" bottom line acceptable limits, it's just a standard
established by the manufacturer.

In your case, (you didn't mention the total miles on your car), I would
think it to be a little high. Certainly, I would expect a Honda to
consume more than a quart between scheduled oil changes. YMMV depending
on the engines condition and your driving habits and the oil that you use...

JT




"George C." wrote:
>
> I"m wanting to know how much oil consumption is too much?
> Is it what the factory would lead one to believe?
>
> I find it hard to believe, and disgusted that I'm expected to believe
> that 1 quart per 1000 miles is the acceptable limit.
>
> My 05 Accord, 4 cyl, 5 spd manual, 40 mile commute each way uses far
> less, but still uses some.
>
> I'm in a debate wether I should just add oil and not indicate to the
> dealer that it consumes oil, so I can trade it in, and say hell with
> it. They never told me. I won't tell them. OR find out more about
> this oil consumption test, and what it entails. And more importantly
> what they'll do about it, if it doesnt meet the 'excess of 1
> quart/1000 mile".
>
> I have never missed a scheduled appointment. I keep my tires
> inflated. I do run it at 70-75 mph for a good part of my commute.
> I warm it up well, and I get 28 - 31 mpg tank to tank.
>
> I'd say that I'm using 1/2 a dipstick mark in 3200 miles.
> 22,400 miles on the car, and the consumption has seemed the same,
> throughout, since new..
>
> Please advise.

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Old 14 May 2006, 12:52 pm
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Default Re: 2005 Accord Oil Consumption: How much is too much?

Don't forget, a little oil seepage past seals, gaskets, etc. can add up.
And, what about the PCV valve that is sucking oil mist fumes out of your
crankcase and burning them? If I was using no oil, I would be more
worried than if I was using just a little. More than likely, some of these
cars that are using no oil are in fact using some as many people/dealers
overfill the oil capacity by about 1/2 a quart at oil change time. This
does no damage and ends up protecting many of us that don't check our oil
level very often. If it was me, I would top up the oil with a 1/2 quart
after 2,000 / 2,500 miles and change it at 4,500. Just my opinion of
course.

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