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Old 08 May 2011, 04:03 pm
tww1491
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Default Kia Optima beats Accord

The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the Kia
Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than the
Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the Optima
because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only having
average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the Honda in
this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my 06 I4 Accord couple
for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be worth looking at in
a few years.

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Old 08 May 2011, 04:39 pm
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On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
> The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the Kia
> Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than the
> Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
> automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the Optima
> because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only having
> average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
> Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my 06 I4
> Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
> worth looking at in a few years.


....as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...
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Old 08 May 2011, 05:50 pm
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Default Re: Kia Optima beats Accord

In article <iq72i7$tk6$1@news.albasani.net>,
"Col. Panic" <colonel@realmil.net> wrote:

> On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
> > The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the Kia
> > Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than the
> > Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
> > automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the Optima
> > because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only having
> > average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
> > Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my 06 I4
> > Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
> > worth looking at in a few years.

>
> ...as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...


Who? Kia or Honda?

'cuz, Honda is right there at 1989 Hyundai levels as we speak.
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Old 08 May 2011, 08:14 pm
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Default Re: Kia Optima beats Accord

On 5/8/11 6:50 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<iq72i7$tk6$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Col. Panic"<colonel@realmil.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
>>> The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the Kia
>>> Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than the
>>> Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
>>> automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the Optima
>>> because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only having
>>> average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
>>> Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my 06 I4
>>> Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
>>> worth looking at in a few years.

>>
>> ...as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...

>
> Who? Kia or Honda?
>
> 'cuz, Honda is right there at 1989 Hyundai levels as we speak.


No, that's not so. Take a look at the frequency of repairs data in last
month's Consumer Reports-- the automotive issue. You'll find Honda very
highly rated year after year. True the Accord is only average this year
but look at the 10 year trends...
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Old 08 May 2011, 10:55 pm
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Default Re: Kia Optima beats Accord

On 05/08/2011 06:14 PM, Col. Panic wrote:
> On 5/8/11 6:50 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article<iq72i7$tk6$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> "Col. Panic"<colonel@realmil.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
>>>> The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the Kia
>>>> Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than the
>>>> Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
>>>> automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the
>>>> Optima
>>>> because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only having
>>>> average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
>>>> Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my 06 I4
>>>> Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
>>>> worth looking at in a few years.
>>>
>>> ...as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...

>>
>> Who? Kia or Honda?
>>
>> 'cuz, Honda is right there at 1989 Hyundai levels as we speak.

>
> No, that's not so. Take a look at the frequency of repairs data in last
> month's Consumer Reports-- the automotive issue. You'll find Honda very
> highly rated year after year. True the Accord is only average this year
> but look at the 10 year trends...


frequency of repairs of /what/? the p.o.s. transmissions honda have
been using for the last 10 years have been a serious issue and both the
failures and the customer service related to them have been so bad that
they've alienated many die-hard [former] honda customers.


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Old 09 May 2011, 06:44 am
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On 5/8/11 11:55 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 05/08/2011 06:14 PM, Col. Panic wrote:
>> On 5/8/11 6:50 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> In article<iq72i7$tk6$1@news.albasani.net>,
>>> "Col. Panic"<colonel@realmil.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
>>>>> The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the Kia
>>>>> Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than
>>>>> the
>>>>> Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
>>>>> automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the
>>>>> Optima
>>>>> because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only
>>>>> having
>>>>> average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
>>>>> Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my 06 I4
>>>>> Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
>>>>> worth looking at in a few years.
>>>>
>>>> ...as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...
>>>
>>> Who? Kia or Honda?
>>>
>>> 'cuz, Honda is right there at 1989 Hyundai levels as we speak.

>>
>> No, that's not so. Take a look at the frequency of repairs data in last
>> month's Consumer Reports-- the automotive issue. You'll find Honda very
>> highly rated year after year. True the Accord is only average this year
>> but look at the 10 year trends...

>
> frequency of repairs of /what/? the p.o.s. transmissions honda have been
> using for the last 10 years have been a serious issue and both the
> failures and the customer service related to them have been so bad that
> they've alienated many die-hard [former] honda customers.
>
>


A detailed F.O.R. of all major systems and accessories listed
individually and broken out by year. There's a whole lot of hard data
there that refutes your assessment of the transmissions.
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Old 09 May 2011, 07:55 pm
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Default Re: Kia Optima beats Accord



"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
news:elmop-964FD5.18500408052011@news.eternal-september.org...

In article <iq72i7$tk6$1@news.albasani.net>,
"Col. Panic" <colonel@realmil.net> wrote:

> On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
> > The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the Kia
> > Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than the
> > Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
> > automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the Optima
> > because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only having
> > average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
> > Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my 06 I4
> > Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
> > worth looking at in a few years.

>
> ...as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...


Who? Kia or Honda?

'cuz, Honda is right there at 1989 Hyundai levels as we speak.

Read the comments with interest, but I think Honda has hit a slump or
perhaps they have marked time while others caught up. Consider the quirky
styling of the Acura line. The Cross-tour is another example that I really
don't understand. The Accord and the coupe are now fat and ponderous
looking. On the other hand the Fit is just right. The new Civic is --
bland -- does not achieve the same impact the last model did when it came
out. The Hyundai Elantra on the other hand is more interesting. I remember
in 1968 at the Tokyo Motor show ( I was in the USAF at the time) looking at
the Honda CB 750 on a revolving pedestal and thinking-- WOW! It was just
that -- bold -- a 4 cylinder in line motorcycle with a disc brake for around
the same price as one would pay for a Triumph Bonneville. It was not
commonplace. I don't see that anymore in Honda. The S2000 was perhaps the
last real gasp.

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Old 09 May 2011, 08:17 pm
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Default Re: Kia Optima beats Accord

On 05/09/2011 04:44 AM, Col. Panic wrote:
> On 5/8/11 11:55 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 05/08/2011 06:14 PM, Col. Panic wrote:
>>> On 5/8/11 6:50 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> In article<iq72i7$tk6$1@news.albasani.net>,
>>>> "Col. Panic"<colonel@realmil.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
>>>>>> The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the
>>>>>> Kia
>>>>>> Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
>>>>>> automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the
>>>>>> Optima
>>>>>> because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only
>>>>>> having
>>>>>> average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
>>>>>> Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my
>>>>>> 06 I4
>>>>>> Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
>>>>>> worth looking at in a few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...
>>>>
>>>> Who? Kia or Honda?
>>>>
>>>> 'cuz, Honda is right there at 1989 Hyundai levels as we speak.
>>>
>>> No, that's not so. Take a look at the frequency of repairs data in last
>>> month's Consumer Reports-- the automotive issue. You'll find Honda very
>>> highly rated year after year. True the Accord is only average this year
>>> but look at the 10 year trends...

>>
>> frequency of repairs of /what/? the p.o.s. transmissions honda have been
>> using for the last 10 years have been a serious issue and both the
>> failures and the customer service related to them have been so bad that
>> they've alienated many die-hard [former] honda customers.
>>
>>

>
> A detailed F.O.R. of all major systems and accessories listed
> individually and broken out by year. There's a whole lot of hard data
> there that refutes your assessment of the transmissions.


hmm, let's do this troll's homework for him, google "honda transmission
problem" and look at the first page of "About 597,000 results":

<http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/honda-transmission-problems-seem-to-persist/>

<http://www.hondaproblems.com/problems/transmission-failure.shtml>

<http://newcarbuyingguide.com/index.php/news/main/3042/event=view>

<http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/03/honda-odyssey-owners-report-transmission-troubles-inconsistent-response-from-maker.html>

new york times??? edmunds??? consumer reports??? don't see anything
from troll st journal though so they must all be hoaxes.


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Old 09 May 2011, 08:24 pm
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"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
news:X10yp.12901$HF3.7114@newsfe03.iad:

> but I think Honda has hit a slump or
> perhaps they have marked time while others caught up.




Four people I personally know were considering Honda, but bought Hyundai:
three bought Hyundai Sonatas, and one bought a Kia Soul. A fifth was
interested in the Toyota Yaris, but purchased a Hyundai Accent instead.

All said they were impressed with Hyundai's content, and said you could not
beat that content for that price.



> Consider the
> quirky styling of the Acura line. The Cross-tour is another example
> that I really don't understand. The Accord and the coupe are now fat
> and ponderous looking. On the other hand the Fit is just right. The
> new Civic is -- bland -- does not achieve the same impact the last
> model did when it came out.




I think it's more than that: I think it's simply price-for-content. Looks,
or what happens five- or seven-years from now, does not seem to matter to
most; it's the purchase price that seems to mean most to most buyers.
Hyundai/Kia is as cheap as it gets, and Hyundai/Kia are now familiar enough
with buyers that they're tending to consider those brands to be competitive
with Honda.

Honda has got to be worried.



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Old 10 May 2011, 05:58 am
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On 5/9/2011 8:17 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:

> On 05/09/2011 04:44 AM, Col. Panic wrote:
>> On 5/8/11 11:55 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2011 06:14 PM, Col. Panic wrote:
>>>> On 5/8/11 6:50 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>> In article<iq72i7$tk6$1@news.albasani.net>,
>>>>> "Col. Panic"<colonel@realmil.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/8/11 5:03 PM, tww1491 wrote:
>>>>>>> The latest Consumers Reports surprised me with their rating of the
>>>>>>> Kia
>>>>>>> Optima over the Honda Accord LXP. The Optima had more features than
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Accord, plus a more powerful I4 -- and an available 6 speed manual or
>>>>>>> automatic at a couple of thou less. Reports did not recommend the
>>>>>>> Optima
>>>>>>> because they have no reliability data. But, with the Accord only
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>> average reliability I suspect Kia will have no trouble matching the
>>>>>>> Honda in this area. Of course, I have no desire to get rid of my
>>>>>>> 06 I4
>>>>>>> Accord couple for quite a long time, but the Kia/Hyundai group may be
>>>>>>> worth looking at in a few years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...as long as they can sustain above average frequency of repairs...
>>>>>
>>>>> Who? Kia or Honda?
>>>>>
>>>>> 'cuz, Honda is right there at 1989 Hyundai levels as we speak.
>>>>
>>>> No, that's not so. Take a look at the frequency of repairs data in last
>>>> month's Consumer Reports-- the automotive issue. You'll find Honda very
>>>> highly rated year after year. True the Accord is only average this year
>>>> but look at the 10 year trends...
>>>
>>> frequency of repairs of /what/? the p.o.s. transmissions honda have been
>>> using for the last 10 years have been a serious issue and both the
>>> failures and the customer service related to them have been so bad that
>>> they've alienated many die-hard [former] honda customers.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> A detailed F.O.R. of all major systems and accessories listed
>> individually and broken out by year. There's a whole lot of hard data
>> there that refutes your assessment of the transmissions.

>
> hmm, let's do this troll's homework for him, google "honda transmission
> problem" and look at the first page of "About 597,000 results":
>
> <http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/honda-transmission-problems-seem-to-persist/>
>
> <http://www.hondaproblems.com/problems/transmission-failure.shtml>
>
> <http://newcarbuyingguide.com/index.php/news/main/3042/event=view>
>
> <http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/03/honda-odyssey-owners-report-transmission-troubles-inconsistent-response-from-maker.html>
>
> new york times??? edmunds??? consumer reports??? don't see anything
> from troll st journal though so they must all be hoaxes.
>
>

Colonel, you must be new here. No facts ever refute the beamer. But he
*is* cute!


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