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Old 01 May 2006, 08:47 pm
dcreamer0001@email.vccs.edu
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Default '92 Accord problem

This is a beast of a problem; and one of the first car problems I've
ever had that my dad doesn't know how to fix.
The story starts last summer, when the last factory speaker in my 92
Accord went out. I got a CD player and 2 speakers for Christmas, and
had the CD player installed in January by Circuit City. I installed the
speakers myself(in the front). The speakers had no mounts that fit my
car, so they were kind of 'dangling'. I enjoyed my music for about a
week, but then the speakers started cutting out--both at once, which
made me think that it was the CD player, not my installation. Then, the
CD player stopped working altogether. No power.

About 3 weeks ago, I had circuit city look at my CD player. They
replaced a fuse under my hood(the time in my car had been at 1:00 every
time I started it--this fixed it), and replaced my player, saying that
something had shorted out. I thanked them and went home to check my
connections. My speakers still looked fine, and I couldn't see how they
could have contacted anything in my door. I left my door panels off,
and drove to see my friend(for his opinion).

On the way there, the speakers started cutting out again. =(

Then, something even worse. On the way there, my RPM and MPH gauges
both dropped to 0. The car was running fine, so I continued. Then,
about a minute later, the car 'jumped' or 'bucked', a little like I had
started it in drive...it revved for a second, and then stopped. I
decided to pull over and look for obvious problems. I didn't find any.
I turned off the engine and called home. When I tried to start the car
a few minutes later, nothing happened. It didn't turn over or anything.

Everyone who has heard this problem thinks it could be the computer or
the (something) solenoid, but I'm still stumped. What could this be?
Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Old 01 May 2006, 09:24 pm
Remco
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dcreamer0001@email.vccs.edu wrote:
> This is a beast of a problem; and one of the first car problems I've
> ever had that my dad doesn't know how to fix.
> The story starts last summer, when the last factory speaker in my 92
> Accord went out. I got a CD player and 2 speakers for Christmas, and
> had the CD player installed in January by Circuit City. I installed the
> speakers myself(in the front). The speakers had no mounts that fit my
> car, so they were kind of 'dangling'. I enjoyed my music for about a
> week, but then the speakers started cutting out--both at once, which
> made me think that it was the CD player, not my installation. Then, the
> CD player stopped working altogether. No power.
>
> About 3 weeks ago, I had circuit city look at my CD player. They
> replaced a fuse under my hood(the time in my car had been at 1:00 every
> time I started it--this fixed it), and replaced my player, saying that
> something had shorted out. I thanked them and went home to check my
> connections. My speakers still looked fine, and I couldn't see how they
> could have contacted anything in my door. I left my door panels off,
> and drove to see my friend(for his opinion).
>
> On the way there, the speakers started cutting out again. =(
>
> Then, something even worse. On the way there, my RPM and MPH gauges
> both dropped to 0. The car was running fine, so I continued. Then,
> about a minute later, the car 'jumped' or 'bucked', a little like I had
> started it in drive...it revved for a second, and then stopped. I
> decided to pull over and look for obvious problems. I didn't find any.
> I turned off the engine and called home. When I tried to start the car
> a few minutes later, nothing happened. It didn't turn over or anything.
>
> Everyone who has heard this problem thinks it could be the computer or
> the (something) solenoid, but I'm still stumped. What could this be?
> Thanks in advance for any advice.


It sounds to me like they messed something up during installation or
something has come loose.

You'll need some familiarity with a multimeter and some basic
electrical troubleshooting skills.

I'd check power and ground to the player:
See if you indeed see 12V measuring from something that should be
positive (cigarette lighter middle connection) to what they assume is
ground.
Then measure from the what they think is 12V (both constant and
accessory) to what you know is ground.
If could be that one of these connections is hooked up to the wrong
point or is loose. For instance, some idiots hook hook a radio up to
the fuel pump relay since that is live when the car is running - that
would be a mistake on their part.

They may have tied the player ground to a bolt that is used to tie
panels together electrically. If, for instance, that connection is
loose, it may cause all sorts of weird trouble.

To troubleshoot your car and get it running again, I'd disconnect the
12V switched and accessory power supply to the player (tape the hot
side up) to eliminate them to be part of the problem.

See if you can get a schematic to your car to help you troubleshoot the
problem. FYI, www.autozone.com has free repair manuals and some contain
schematics.

Good hunting.
Remco

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Old 01 May 2006, 10:18 pm
Michael Pardee
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<dcreamer0001@email.vccs.edu> wrote in message
news:1146534425.062408.118830@y43g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> This is a beast of a problem; and one of the first car problems I've
> ever had that my dad doesn't know how to fix.
> The story starts last summer, when the last factory speaker in my 92
> Accord went out. I got a CD player and 2 speakers for Christmas, and
> had the CD player installed in January by Circuit City. I installed the
> speakers myself(in the front). The speakers had no mounts that fit my
> car, so they were kind of 'dangling'. I enjoyed my music for about a
> week, but then the speakers started cutting out--both at once, which
> made me think that it was the CD player, not my installation. Then, the
> CD player stopped working altogether. No power.
>
> About 3 weeks ago, I had circuit city look at my CD player. They
> replaced a fuse under my hood(the time in my car had been at 1:00 every
> time I started it--this fixed it), and replaced my player, saying that
> something had shorted out. I thanked them and went home to check my
> connections. My speakers still looked fine, and I couldn't see how they
> could have contacted anything in my door. I left my door panels off,
> and drove to see my friend(for his opinion).
>
> On the way there, the speakers started cutting out again. =(
>
> Then, something even worse. On the way there, my RPM and MPH gauges
> both dropped to 0. The car was running fine, so I continued. Then,
> about a minute later, the car 'jumped' or 'bucked', a little like I had
> started it in drive...it revved for a second, and then stopped. I
> decided to pull over and look for obvious problems. I didn't find any.
> I turned off the engine and called home. When I tried to start the car
> a few minutes later, nothing happened. It didn't turn over or anything.
>
> Everyone who has heard this problem thinks it could be the computer or
> the (something) solenoid, but I'm still stumped. What could this be?
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>

Beyond Remco's advice, I would also recommend checking the engine-to-chassis
ground. If that is bad there is no end to the weird symptoms. In my
daughter's '93 the engine is connected to the battery negative terminal, and
a short wire goes from the battery to the body ground. Make sure that ground
is tight, and maybe even make sure there isn't paint under the ground.

Mike


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Old 10 May 2006, 12:56 am
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dcreamer0001@email.vccs.edu wrote:
> This is a beast of a problem; and one of the first car problems I've
> ever had that my dad doesn't know how to fix.
> The story starts last summer, when the last factory speaker in my 92
> Accord went out. I got a CD player and 2 speakers for Christmas, and
> had the CD player installed in January by Circuit City. I installed the
> speakers myself(in the front). The speakers had no mounts that fit my
> car, so they were kind of 'dangling'. I enjoyed my music for about a
> week, but then the speakers started cutting out--both at once, which
> made me think that it was the CD player, not my installation. Then, the
> CD player stopped working altogether. No power.
>
> About 3 weeks ago, I had circuit city look at my CD player. They
> replaced a fuse under my hood(the time in my car had been at 1:00 every
> time I started it--this fixed it), and replaced my player, saying that
> something had shorted out. I thanked them and went home to check my
> connections. My speakers still looked fine, and I couldn't see how they
> could have contacted anything in my door. I left my door panels off,
> and drove to see my friend(for his opinion).
>
> On the way there, the speakers started cutting out again. =(
>
> Then, something even worse. On the way there, my RPM and MPH gauges
> both dropped to 0. The car was running fine, so I continued. Then,
> about a minute later, the car 'jumped' or 'bucked', a little like I had
> started it in drive...it revved for a second, and then stopped. I
> decided to pull over and look for obvious problems. I didn't find any.
> I turned off the engine and called home. When I tried to start the car
> a few minutes later, nothing happened. It didn't turn over or anything.
>
> Everyone who has heard this problem thinks it could be the computer or
> the (something) solenoid, but I'm still stumped. What could this be?
> Thanks in advance for any advice.


Update! I'm trying to get a friend(works at a Honda place) to help me
with the things you suggested(thanks for the replies). When I try to
start the car now, nothing happens. It doesn't turn over, it doesn't
even have that little 'click'. Nothing. Thanks again for any
suggestions.

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Old 10 May 2006, 09:09 am
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dcreamer0001@email.vccs.edu wrote:
> dcreamer0001@email.vccs.edu wrote:
> > This is a beast of a problem; and one of the first car problems I've
> > ever had that my dad doesn't know how to fix.
> > The story starts last summer, when the last factory speaker in my 92
> > Accord went out. I got a CD player and 2 speakers for Christmas, and
> > had the CD player installed in January by Circuit City. I installed the
> > speakers myself(in the front). The speakers had no mounts that fit my
> > car, so they were kind of 'dangling'. I enjoyed my music for about a
> > week, but then the speakers started cutting out--both at once, which
> > made me think that it was the CD player, not my installation. Then, the
> > CD player stopped working altogether. No power.
> >
> > About 3 weeks ago, I had circuit city look at my CD player. They
> > replaced a fuse under my hood(the time in my car had been at 1:00 every
> > time I started it--this fixed it), and replaced my player, saying that
> > something had shorted out. I thanked them and went home to check my
> > connections. My speakers still looked fine, and I couldn't see how they
> > could have contacted anything in my door. I left my door panels off,
> > and drove to see my friend(for his opinion).
> >
> > On the way there, the speakers started cutting out again. =(
> >
> > Then, something even worse. On the way there, my RPM and MPH gauges
> > both dropped to 0. The car was running fine, so I continued. Then,
> > about a minute later, the car 'jumped' or 'bucked', a little like I had
> > started it in drive...it revved for a second, and then stopped. I
> > decided to pull over and look for obvious problems. I didn't find any.
> > I turned off the engine and called home. When I tried to start the car
> > a few minutes later, nothing happened. It didn't turn over or anything.
> >
> > Everyone who has heard this problem thinks it could be the computer or
> > the (something) solenoid, but I'm still stumped. What could this be?
> > Thanks in advance for any advice.

>
> Update! I'm trying to get a friend(works at a Honda place) to help me
> with the things you suggested(thanks for the replies). When I try to
> start the car now, nothing happens. It doesn't turn over, it doesn't
> even have that little 'click'. Nothing. Thanks again for any
> suggestions.


When you turn the key on, do you see any idiot lights (alternator, oil,
etc)?
Does the dome light turn on at all, either when you open the door or
set the switch to on?

First check the obvious: the battery cables and connections - both
ends. One fat red one should go between the starter and battery. One
fat black one goes between the battery and chassis.
Clean them both - especially the black one.

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