Honda Car Forum

Charles Lasitter wrote:
> snip
>
> Edmunds reports MSRP w/dest of $28,505 and a TMV price of $27,652, still
> $4-7k more than a Camry LE. But it does have the i4/6M, and I'm
> guessing that the ride comfort / cabin noise compares favorably, with
> better handling.
>
Once the price gets near $30K and sport enters into the equation
there's no sense looking at modified FWD grocery getters when great RWD
performance sedans like the G35, IS 250 and 3-series are available.
IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
they're over $25K.

On 26 Apr 2006 05:08:45 -0700, dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:

> IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
> they're over $25K.

Agreed.
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Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
oil is worthwhile in this application.

There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.

I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
check out the V6 Camry.

<jmattis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.

That doesn't sound right to me. The various factors that reduce fuel economy
should affect Toyota and Honda engines equally - unless you know a
significant difference between them I don't know.

>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

That's pretty out of date, and overblown even in its time (about 1 in 1000
was affected) http://tinyurl.com/7ox9s . Oddly, it was redesign of the valve
cover that corrected the sludge problem.
>
Mike

jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
> Consumer Reports says... The Camrys are not getting anywhere near the
> EPA rated mileage in their V6 engines. Hondas do. So a V6 Camry
> should stay off your list, unless you want 80% of the promised mileage.
>
> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
> oil is worthwhile in this application.

i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> There is now a sports version of the Camry. The suspension may be a
> lot closer to an Accord than a standard Camry & I'm curious myself.
>
> I have a 2004 Accord, but if it were totalled tomorrow, I'd seriously
> check out the V6 Camry.
>

SoCalMike wrote:
> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:

>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?

Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
design. Fixed years ago.

By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.

>
> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.

5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
between routine oil changes.

"SoCalMike" <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>> Also, Toy V6 engines are known to have a nasty gelling problem. Change
>> the oil quite frequently if you have a V6, or -- for once -- synthetic
>> oil is worthwhile in this application.
>
> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
(probably without an oil change):
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html
Definitely a "come to Jesus" event.

Mike

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> >
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

Would be interesting to know how many months the car had gone without
an oil change. If this happened after 3 months I'd have a different
opinion than if it happened after 3 years.

If you search around you can find other equally well documented sludged
engines from just about every manufacturer.

dimndsonmywndshld@yahoo.com wrote:
> SoCalMike wrote:
>> jmattis@attglobal.net wrote:
>
>> i thought it was decided that the gelling was due to neglect... mostly
>> cars right off a 3 year lease that didnt have regular oil changes?
>
> Nope, poor head design when Toyota attempted to extract more mpg from
> their 3.0L V6. Created hot/cold spots and poor maintenance made the
> problem obvious. A new valve cover was followed by a better head
> design. Fixed years ago.
>
> By the way, I have 171K trouble-free miles on one of the sludge-prone
> 3.0L V6s. Still delivering better than EPA mpg.
>
>> my moms scion xA has a required interval of 5000 miles between changes.
>> i thought itd be longer than that, personally.
>
> 5000 is conservative enough that should she forget an oil change the
> car will still be fine. Can't say the same about Honda's 10,000
> interval. Keep in mind that most people won't even open the hood
> between routine oil changes.
>
the cool thing about the scion is that the oil change indicator can be
programmed to light up at intervals from 1-5k miles. standard is 5k.

Michael Pardee wrote:
> TeGGeR has an eye-opener in this 2001 Toyota V6 with less than 9000 miles
> (probably without an oil change):
> http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

awesome! in a scary way, of course.