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"ron" <really good@serviceu.com> wrote in message
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> So right Jeff. I live in No California and I know people on limited
> incomes will drive 8 or 10 miles each way to by 6 gallons of gasoline to
> save a couple of cents/gallon.
>
> Until it really hurts to buy gasoline, no one will conserve nor will
> anyone even consider proper alternatives.
>
> Hurt level probably double today's price, IMHO. Till then we'll keep
> sucking oil from non-home sources.

Hurt level depends on wealth and income. If gas double in price, I would
still go where i want to go. But there are people who can't afford to go
where they want to go now. What I think we will see happening is that the
economy will slow down because poor people can't afford to buy as much and
the price of plastics and other petroleum-based goods will go up. In
addition, people will start buying more fuel-efficent cars in the next few
years, if the gas prices don't fall back to less than $2.00 per gallon. Very
few people will rush to trade in their SUVs for small cars, but when the
time comes, more people will buy small cars (and some will even buy
hybrids).

Jeff

> Ron

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm with you on the mass transit idea, the only problem being is that
> ours sucks! We are just to plain greedy to invest in a good idea. I was
> born in New York City where they did have the brains to invest in it
> and it works great! They did have their hard time in NYC but recovered
> nicely and it's one of the best transit systems in the world.

NYC's transit system does have some short comings, like the idiots who
manage it. In addition, it would be better if trains from NJ, upstate NY and
Conn. would go to more places than just Penn Station, Grand Central Station
and a few stops on the way.

In addition, there are some areas of NYC where the subways are not convient.
And more subways are needed to go to the upper east side and harlem.

But it is an excellent system.

NYC has millions of people. That is very helpful in making a functional
system. That is one reason why other smaller cities can't make a go of mass
transit.

Jeff

> Gerald
>

Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
TO THE BANK!

Gerald

Agreeed! The energy companies along with our wonderful White House that
will keep the people at bay. They do not want you to succeed. 500
million to an Exxon Mobil exec??? For what, for stealing from the
people... Incredibal!

Gerald

Did you really say 100 million? 100 million is only 1/5 of what that
Exxon Mobil guy will take home as a pension. FUNNY, we are talking
about the whole of the U.S., Canada, the world to be a better place to
live and work. The GOV, needs to spend a couple more bucks to put these
plants in a couple more backyards. Cleanly! The coal commericals on TV
are very good and they have come along way but at the same time I hope
they spend as much on saftey as they do on getting reserves out of the
ground. The Men and Women doing this job for our life styles need to be
backed up with our dollars for a futurist safe envirorment. They don't
have it now.

Gerald

Well I don't beleive that much. There was a town in Texas what during
the early 1900's that fell victim to a storm also. I wish I could
remember the name now, Agausta comes to mind. They got nuked by mother
nature also but they came back to rebuild but they build something that
could almost not be knocked down. New Orleans needs to do the same
project but with the engineers and also add to this idea would be to
get the envirorment to work as it had sice the 1700's or before. The
current system is and was a joke for many years. A better idea would
put many people to work and save history in my view. Yes they need to
deal with the wetland problem, it is because the screwed this idea up
that they had as big a problem as they did last year. Yeah.. a little
crazy tonight...

Gerald

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> newsSadnXMgH7CpW9vZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> That is a good idea, the only problem is it will not solve the problem.
>> It will reduce the INCREASE in the amount of oil we import but not our
>> need for the fast amounts of crude we use to fuel the various economies
>> of
>> the world. Gasoline is only a small part of why we need to import crude.
>
> According the DOE, almost half of the crude oil is refined into gasoline,
> hardly "only a small part."
>
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/gas04/gasoline.htm

I should have added that not only is a lot of the crude oil that we import
refined into gasoline, but we also import around 1,000,000 barrels a day of
gasoline:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...RGY-STOCKS.xml.

This is, in part, because of lost capacity post Katrina.

jeff

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> TO THE BANK!

Let's put some common sense in play:

Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.

So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.

We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
site in every field.
We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
shale.

We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?

First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.

Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.

Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"

It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
- - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
you aint seen nothing!



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

It may SEEM that way... but the thing is you state that view, more clearly
and concisely than most, without a lot of other idiocy, like Nomen's,
thrown in.

Thus you seem the target but you're not. The IDEA is the target.



"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oils not the answer.



--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

In article <Xns97AB527463DD3pettyfogery@207.115.17.102>,
Backyard Mechanic <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

> "gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is
> > needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and
> > more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were
> > warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are
> > paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We
> > the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that
> > word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY
> > TO THE BANK!
>
> Let's put some common sense in play:
>
> Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the
> ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.
>
> So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population,
> check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.
>
> We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well-
> site in every field.
> We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil
> shale.
>
> We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because
> it's cheaper than coal scrubbing.
> We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed
> again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax
> breaks, rather than trading pollution credits.
> You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all
> that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal
> burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?
>
> First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the
> art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti-
> nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.
>
> Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it
> was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.
>
> Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE
> PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"
>
> It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who
> ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
> - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
> Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE
> more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I
> am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now...
> you aint seen nothing!

Yep, we lost a lot of time and wasted a lot of fuel listening to those
bark chewers. I doubt we still have the technical expertise to build
nuke power plants. We'd most likely have to ask France to help us.
You're right about the coal, we have much but not using it much, very
sad.

U.S. is in decline, but it didn't have to be. Had we more GWB like
administrations in the past we would still be leading the world in every
area. More Carter like administrations and we'll be a third world
country.
--
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."

-- Vice President Al Gore