Honda Car Forum

Precisely the point, you made a claim, I'm only asking you to prove it. I
merely quoted something I read, I made no claim. I even directed you to the
source for what I posted


mike hunt

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
.. When you make a claim, it is up to you to support your claim.

> Jeff
>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:v3g2g.7015$Es3.386@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4LqdnQTHhLeOa9XZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>I guess we can assume you did not find a source to support you
>>>>contention?
>>>
>>> It is your contention that needs supporting. Yet you fail to do so.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>> mike hunt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7CY1g.6575$Es3.2294@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you
>>>>>> are free to do your own search to find what I found.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words.
>>
>>
>
>

Can we assume you are not an economics major?


mike hunt


"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The price of oil in dollar tems is more attributable to the weakness of
> the dollar

You can resort to calling me names if you are running out of arguments to
support you position if you chose, I could not care less, but I certainly am
not ignorant of the fact one can not refine crude to get to the carbon stock
without producing gasoline or other volatiles. If they can not sell or
store them, they will need to be burned off


mike hunt



> Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:m9ycnY3jDKOSwNTZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> I'll bet you are not a chemist but if you can figure out way to refine
>> crude
>> to get to the carbon stock, without producing gasoline or other
>> volatiles,
>> I'm sure the oil companies will pay you an awful lot of money to know how
>> you could do it. LOL
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
> No, Mike. True, you can't "refine" it directly, but they already know how
> to
> make what they need from the refined fractions. Your failure to
> acknowledge that
> makes you either extremely ignorant, or a troll.
>
>

According the Department of Commerce, oil companies in general earn around
9% or 10% profit. WalMart and Procter Gambol make well over 20%. Exxon
paid more in federal cooperate taxes than it paid in dividends to the share
holds, who then paid taxes on the SAME money


mike hunt


"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:fNqcnUTkNsTO_dTZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> That can be easily accomplished, elect more democrats, they are very
>> proficient at figuring ways to increase taxes. Currently the federal and
>> state governments ALL make more per gallon on gasoline than do the oil
>> companies or the retailers. The federal tax is .185c per gallon and the
>> average state tax is .28c a gallon.
>
> That's less than $0.01 per gallon. That's almost nothing.
>
>> Some states like California also add their sales tax to gasoline in
>> addition to the motor fuel tax. Some states add to your cost of food by
>> taxing fuels used in farming. Search the Congressional Record and you
>> will see the recent investigation of the oil industry, in by the House
>> Energy Committee, showed the oil companies averaged around 15c a gallon
>> and retailers .05c
>
> Yet, according to Sen. Reid, oil companies make 50c to 75c per gallon of
> gas.
>
> http://reid.senate.gov/gasprices0504.cfm and the big oil companies saw
> their profits go up by 44 to 294%! I am really happy that I invested in
> the oil companies and related industrties.
>
> In California, the price of refining and profits went from about $0.35 to
> $0.40 in January 2002 to around $0.65 now. I guess that explains the
> record profits the oil companies are making.
>
> Jeff
>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>> "The BEnevolent dbu" <Relaxand@smeltherose.comm> wrote in message
>> news:Relaxand-B60771.16340321042006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> In article <moci42lra55nf3tvkls793obmkj42b6ccr@4ax.com>,
>>> Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>>>> >news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>>>> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>>> >> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>>>> >process
>>>> >> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost
>>>> >> >alternative
>>>> >fuels
>>>> >> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save
>>>> >> >money.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >mike hunt
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>>>> >> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or
>>>> >> use
>>>> >> other high cost solutions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>>>> >> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or
>>>> >> pay
>>>> >> higher taxes.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> later,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>>>> >
>>>> >What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes
>>>> >don't
>>>> >even cover the cost of the highway system.
>>>> >
>>>> >If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the
>>>> >highway
>>>> >system and at least half of our military budget.
>>>>
>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>> The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
>>>> tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
>>>> road maintenance.
>>>
>>> It's coming. There will be a tax on energy conserving vehicles.
>>>
>>> We cannot allow the dissipation of fuel tax money due to better fuel
>>> economy vehicles, therefore we must tax them more.
>>> --
>>> "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
>>>
>>> -- Vice President Al Gore
>>
>>
>
>

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:AZucnQ8UnvdaENfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> According the Department of Commerce, oil companies in general earn around
> 9% or 10% profit. WalMart and Procter Gambol make well over 20%. Exxon
> paid more in federal cooperate taxes than it paid in dividends to the
> share holds, who then paid taxes on the SAME money

ExxonMobile had a profit margin of around 10.8%.

Walmart and its competitors had profit margins of around 3.6%.

The values are from yahoo fiance http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=WMT and
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=XOM

I am sure that the corporate filings with the SEC will be consistant with
the yahoo finance numbers. After all, that is where Yahoo gets them.

Jeff

> mike hunt
>
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Urv2g.11349$i41.6928@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:fNqcnUTkNsTO_dTZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> That can be easily accomplished, elect more democrats, they are very
>>> proficient at figuring ways to increase taxes. Currently the federal
>>> and state governments ALL make more per gallon on gasoline than do the
>>> oil companies or the retailers. The federal tax is .185c per gallon and
>>> the average state tax is .28c a gallon.
>>
>> That's less than $0.01 per gallon. That's almost nothing.
>>
>>> Some states like California also add their sales tax to gasoline in
>>> addition to the motor fuel tax. Some states add to your cost of food by
>>> taxing fuels used in farming. Search the Congressional Record and you
>>> will see the recent investigation of the oil industry, in by the House
>>> Energy Committee, showed the oil companies averaged around 15c a gallon
>>> and retailers .05c
>>
>> Yet, according to Sen. Reid, oil companies make 50c to 75c per gallon of
>> gas.
>>
>> http://reid.senate.gov/gasprices0504.cfm and the big oil companies saw
>> their profits go up by 44 to 294%! I am really happy that I invested in
>> the oil companies and related industrties.
>>
>> In California, the price of refining and profits went from about $0.35 to
>> $0.40 in January 2002 to around $0.65 now. I guess that explains the
>> record profits the oil companies are making.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>> "The BEnevolent dbu" <Relaxand@smeltherose.comm> wrote in message
>>> news:Relaxand-B60771.16340321042006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>> In article <moci42lra55nf3tvkls793obmkj42b6ccr@4ax.com>,
>>>> Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:09 -0500, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >"Tom The Great" <Post@here.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >news:s83i42tlgvuba7aeq8aglq8kfg1qfjd04r@4ax.com.. .
>>>>> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>>>>> >> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the
>>>>> >process
>>>>> >> >competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost
>>>>> >> >alternative
>>>>> >fuels
>>>>> >> >just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save
>>>>> >> >money.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >mike hunt
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
>>>>> >> through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or
>>>>> >> use
>>>>> >> other high cost solutions.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
>>>>> >> zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or
>>>>> >> pay
>>>>> >> higher taxes.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> later,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes
>>>>> >don't
>>>>> >even cover the cost of the highway system.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the
>>>>> >highway
>>>>> >system and at least half of our military budget.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Commerce Department actually had the nerve to propose a special
>>>>> tax on hybrids because they might cause a drop in tax revenues for
>>>>> road maintenance.
>>>>
>>>> It's coming. There will be a tax on energy conserving vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> We cannot allow the dissipation of fuel tax money due to better fuel
>>>> economy vehicles, therefore we must tax them more.
>>>> --
>>>> "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
>>>>
>>>> -- Vice President Al Gore
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jeff, you and Mike are bad readers,,, Or are a bad study,,, Give it
up... You have both taken it beyond your means... Wasting everyone time
if you cannot respond to others... Have a good day, not that I would
think that you would see this message..

Gerald

Gerald my friend don't you recognized when sombodys chain is being pulled?



mike hunt


"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff, you and Mike are bad readers,,, Or are a bad study,,, Give it
> up... You have both taken it beyond your means... Wasting everyone time
> if you cannot respond to others... Have a good day, not that I would
> think that you would see this message..
>
> Gerald
>

"gerald2003r" <gerald2003r@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145789780.274857.76890@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Jeff, you and Mike are bad readers,,, Or are a bad study,,, Give it
> up... You have both taken it beyond your means... Wasting everyone time
> if you cannot respond to others... Have a good day, not that I would
> think that you would see this message..
>
> Gerald

Then, ignore the thread.

Bye.

Jeff

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> Precisely the point, you made a claim, I'm only asking you to prove it.
> I merely quoted something I read, I made no claim. I even directed you to
> the source for what I posted

What specific claim did I not back?

Jeff

>
> mike hunt
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dap2g.11246$i41.7563@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>>
> . When you make a claim, it is up to you to support your claim.
>
>> Jeff
>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:v3g2g.7015$Es3.386@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4LqdnQTHhLeOa9XZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>I guess we can assume you did not find a source to support you
>>>>>contention?
>>>>
>>>> It is your contention that needs supporting. Yet you fail to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>> mike hunt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7CY1g.6575$Es3.2294@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:sDydnYSWAdwOKdrZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>>> I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you
>>>>>>> are free to do your own search to find what I found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:dZ-cnf7WOZlpFtfZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> You can resort to calling me names if you are running out of arguments to
> support you position if you chose, I could not care less, but I certainly
> am not ignorant of the fact one can not refine crude to get to the carbon
> stock without producing gasoline or other volatiles. If they can not
> sell or store them, they will need to be burned off

Other tactics you might try include top-posting, to make it harder to follow
threads, ignoring particular parts of threads where you have been shown to
be incorrect, claiming that the other people don't support their arguments
when the other people are asked for evidence, deleting parts of a post
without indicating that fact when those parts of the post contain the
information that shows the other person is incorrect.

Mike is an expert at all of these, so you can read his posts for examples of
each of them.

Please provide evidence that oil companies have burned off "volatiles" in
large quantities to get rid of them in recent years.

> mike hunt

Jeff

>
>> Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:m9ycnY3jDKOSwNTZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>> I'll bet you are not a chemist but if you can figure out way to refine
>>> crude
>>> to get to the carbon stock, without producing gasoline or other
>>> volatiles,
>>> I'm sure the oil companies will pay you an awful lot of money to know
>>> how
>>> you could do it. LOL
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>> No, Mike. True, you can't "refine" it directly, but they already know how
>> to
>> make what they need from the refined fractions. Your failure to
>> acknowledge that
>> makes you either extremely ignorant, or a troll.
>>
>>
>
>