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Old 11 Apr 2011, 08:36 pm
Cameo
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Default Time for gasolin summer mix yet?

Anybody knows when the US refineries are supposed to switch to summer
mix? Getting tired of ethanol.

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Old 12 Apr 2011, 04:15 am
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"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Anybody knows when the US refineries are supposed to switch to summer mix?
> Getting tired of ethanol.


On this side of the pond we only get one standard of fuel year round.
However, we have our priorities right, most decent breweries do summer and
winter ales. Down at the pub a pint goes down very nicely.
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Old 12 Apr 2011, 11:50 pm
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Default Re: Time for gasolin summer mix yet?

Thus spake "Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> :

>Anybody knows when the US refineries are supposed to switch to summer
>mix? Getting tired of ethanol.


Gonna be kind of stuck with it. The Feds want it in the tank. So
it's in the tank. Just be glad the corn farmers don't get their way
and go to 20%.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

An object's desireability to a dog is directly
proportional to its desireability to another dog.

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Old 13 Apr 2011, 12:39 am
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On Apr 12, 9:50*pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Thus spake "Cameo" <ca...@invalid.invalid> :
>
> >Anybody knows when the US refineries are supposed to switch to summer
> >mix? Getting tired of ethanol.

>
> Gonna be kind of stuck with it. *The Feds want it in the tank. *So
> it's in the tank. *Just be glad the corn farmers don't get their way
> and go to 20%.
> --
>
> - dillon *I am not invalid
>
> An object's desireability to a dog is directly
> proportional to its desireability to another dog.


I live in California and the other incentive, for the state, to want
more ethanol, is that we pay taxes on the gallon, and ethanol reduces
gas mileage, so one has to buy more gas, for the reduced mileage and
pay more taxes on "watered-down" fuel. The more ethanol they can get
into the fuel means more tax dollars to them.
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Old 13 Apr 2011, 12:50 am
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On 04/12/2011 10:39 PM, billzz wrote:
> On Apr 12, 9:50�pm, Dillon Pyron<invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> Thus spake "Cameo"<ca...@invalid.invalid> :
>>
>>> Anybody knows when the US refineries are supposed to switch to summer
>>> mix? Getting tired of ethanol.

>>
>> Gonna be kind of stuck with it. �The Feds want it in the tank. �So
>> it's in the tank. �Just be glad the corn farmers don't get their way
>> and go to 20%.
>> --
>>
>> - dillon �I am not invalid
>>
>> An object's desireability to a dog is directly
>> proportional to its desireability to another dog.

>
> I live in California and the other incentive, for the state, to want
> more ethanol, is that we pay taxes on the gallon, and ethanol reduces
> gas mileage, so one has to buy more gas, for the reduced mileage and
> pay more taxes on "watered-down" fuel. The more ethanol they can get
> into the fuel means more tax dollars to them.


with ethanol, fuel gets watered down for real too - ethanol allows real
water absorption. it's not a lot per gallon, but you multiply the
volume by the number of gallons of fuel used per day/month/year across
the state and you're talking significant dough. enough to pay a few
political contributions and some bonuses.


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Old 13 Apr 2011, 02:51 am
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"billzz" <billzz@wildblue.net> wrote in message
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> I live in California and the other incentive, for the state, to want
> more ethanol, is that we pay taxes on the gallon, and ethanol reduces
> gas mileage, so one has to buy more gas, for the reduced mileage and
> pay more taxes on "watered-down" fuel. The more ethanol they can get
> into the fuel means more tax dollars to them.


And the more grain is used for ethanol production the less is available
for food, driving up food prices. Let's say thanks for that to our
well-meaning politicians.

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Old 13 Apr 2011, 06:50 am
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"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:io3km9$rqr$1@dont-email.me:

> "billzz" <billzz@wildblue.net> wrote in message
> news:beb5dfb2-451e-4ad8-8736-e7e92f312694@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> I live in California and the other incentive, for the state, to want
>> more ethanol, is that we pay taxes on the gallon, and ethanol reduces
>> gas mileage, so one has to buy more gas, for the reduced mileage and
>> pay more taxes on "watered-down" fuel. The more ethanol they can get
>> into the fuel means more tax dollars to them.

>
> And the more grain is used for ethanol production the less is available
> for food, driving up food prices. Let's say thanks for that to our
> well-meaning politicians.
>
>




I read in the paper that some 40% of corn production is being diverted for
use as fuel. Absolutely insane.


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Old 13 Apr 2011, 07:01 am
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Tegger wrote:
> "Cameo"<cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:io3km9$rqr$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "billzz"<billzz@wildblue.net> wrote in message
>> news:beb5dfb2-451e-4ad8-8736-e7e92f312694@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> I live in California and the other incentive, for the state, to want
>>> more ethanol, is that we pay taxes on the gallon, and ethanol reduces
>>> gas mileage, so one has to buy more gas, for the reduced mileage and
>>> pay more taxes on "watered-down" fuel. The more ethanol they can get
>>> into the fuel means more tax dollars to them.

>>
>> And the more grain is used for ethanol production the less is available
>> for food, driving up food prices. Let's say thanks for that to our
>> well-meaning politicians.
>>
>>

>
>
>
> I read in the paper that some 40% of corn production is being diverted for
> use as fuel. Absolutely insane.
>
>



Time to make ready the pitchforks and torches...

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Old 13 Apr 2011, 07:40 am
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GrumpyOne <Grumpy@nowherenot.net> wrote in
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> Tegger wrote:
>> "Cameo"<cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> news:io3km9$rqr$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "billzz"<billzz@wildblue.net> wrote in message
>>> news:beb5dfb2-451e-4ad8-8736-e7e92f312694@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com
>>> ...
>>>> I live in California and the other incentive, for the state, to
>>>> want more ethanol, is that we pay taxes on the gallon, and ethanol
>>>> reduces gas mileage, so one has to buy more gas, for the reduced
>>>> mileage and pay more taxes on "watered-down" fuel. The more
>>>> ethanol they can get into the fuel means more tax dollars to them.
>>>
>>> And the more grain is used for ethanol production the less is
>>> available for food, driving up food prices. Let's say thanks for
>>> that to our well-meaning politicians.
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> I read in the paper that some 40% of corn production is being
>> diverted for use as fuel. Absolutely insane.
>>
>>

>
>
> Time to make ready the pitchforks and torches...
>



And amend the Consitution to prevent federal and state govenments from ever
again trying to control such things.

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Old 13 Apr 2011, 09:54 am
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"Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Thus spake "Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> :
>
>>Anybody knows when the US refineries are supposed to switch to summer
>>mix? Getting tired of ethanol.

>
> Gonna be kind of stuck with it. The Feds want it in the tank. So
> it's in the tank. Just be glad the corn farmers don't get their way
> and go to 20%.
> --
>
> - dillon I am not invalid
>
> An object's desireability to a dog is directly
> proportional to its desireability to another dog.
>


That may raise manufacturer warranty issues as well. Owners manuals state
how much ethanol can be used in fuel; often it's about 10% or so. When
Oregon mandated all-year 10% ethanol, IIRC that was a consideration in the
discussions. (BTW, now they're seriously considering increasing registration
fees for electric vehicles because they do not pay as much gas tax money - I
am not making this up.) Unless it's a FlexFuel/E85 vehicle, I would be
concerned. I don't know if there are any OTC additives like fuel stabilizer
that can counteract ethanol.


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