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Old 11 Apr 2006, 11:44 pm
Saint Electrolux 59
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GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

Should be fun!

"Wagonwheel" <Wagonwheel_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> GM's top brass confirmed Wagoneers position by assuring stockholders that

"Rick
> ain't a dick" when it comes to managing GM's losses. The same boneheads

keep
> giving him a raise. An old man's cluster **** of old farts and assholes

who keep
> their jobs by voting themselves a pay raise. I thought Kerkorian was

smarter
> than these clowns. They just keep pulling the condom over his head. A

good jap
> or china man running GM would shake the shit out of these old farts!
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Old 12 Apr 2006, 04:32 pm
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> On 4/12/2006 12:44 AM ... Saint Electrolux 59 wrote:
> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>
> Should be fun!
>
> "Wagonwheel" <Wagonwheel_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:e1evgf05e3@drn.newsguy.com...
>> GM's top brass confirmed Wagoneers position by assuring stockholders that

> "Rick
>> ain't a dick" when it comes to managing GM's losses. The same boneheads

> keep
>> giving him a raise. An old man's cluster **** of old farts and assholes

> who keep
>> their jobs by voting themselves a pay raise. I thought Kerkorian was

> smarter
>> than these clowns. They just keep pulling the condom over his head. A

> good jap
>> or china man running GM would shake the shit out of these old farts!
>>
>>
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Na! With recent sales of assets, they now have enough cash now to get
them through xmas. Problem is that what they've been selling are the
larger money-makers for them, so once the cash runs out and absent any
more fire sales OR some other way to make up the income loss...who knows!
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Old 14 Apr 2006, 08:02 pm
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"Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
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> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>
> Should be fun!


I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
remaining 49%...
Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
all of the GM managers early outs.


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Old 14 Apr 2006, 09:57 pm
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"Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

>
> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> remaining 49%...


I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
market has spoken...

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Old 15 Apr 2006, 10:42 am
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In article <1240hi3hitvds1a@corp.supernews.com>, "Charles"
<h90943@hotmail.commie> wrote:

> "Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
> news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
> > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
> >
> > Should be fun!

>
> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> remaining 49%...
> Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
> all of the GM managers early outs.


It would be more likely that Honda would buy GM instead of GM buying Honda.
Please remember the situation involving Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz.

However, I doubt that Honda would want the problems connected to taking
over a company that has the debt burden (eg paying for the retirement and
related health care costs of thousands of GM employees) if GM.
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 11:27 am
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Dale Worley wrote:
> "Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

> >
> > I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> > remaining 49%...

>
> I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
> market has spoken...


While I have no desire to take sides in this discussion, I have to take
exception with your comment Dale. You can't buy diddley with "market
cap". You need cash! ;-)

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Old 15 Apr 2006, 10:09 pm
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Market cap does not equate to cash reserves. However, I do not think that
they could come up with 59B and certainly could not utilize the purchase to
their advantage.
"Dale Worley" <worley@dragon.ariadne.com> wrote in message
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> "Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
> > > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> > > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.

> >
> > I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> > remaining 49%...

>
> I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
> market has spoken...
>
> Dale Worley
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 10:28 pm
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> On 4/15/2006 11:42 AM ... Jason wrote:
> In article <1240hi3hitvds1a@corp.supernews.com>, "Charles"
> <h90943@hotmail.commie> wrote:
>
>> "Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
>>> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
>>> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>>>
>>> Should be fun!

>> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
>> remaining 49%...
>> Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
>> all of the GM managers early outs.

>
> It would be more likely that Honda would buy GM instead of GM buying Honda.
> Please remember the situation involving Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz.
>
> However, I doubt that Honda would want the problems connected to taking
> over a company that has the debt burden (eg paying for the retirement and
> related health care costs of thousands of GM employees) if GM.
> Jason
>

....unless the government made a deal to accept some of the debt
themselves so that Honda's buyout at least kept some of the debt and
kept people working (and tax-payers). Interesting idea!
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 10:45 pm
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On 15 Apr 2006 09:27:53 -0700, "Cool Jet" <pkelly49@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Dale Worley wrote:
>> "Charles" <h90943@hotmail.commie> writes:
>> > > GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
>> > > as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
>> >
>> > I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
>> > remaining 49%...

>>
>> I don't think so: GM market cap is $11B, HMC market cap is $59B. The
>> market has spoken...

>
>While I have no desire to take sides in this discussion, I have to take
>exception with your comment Dale. You can't buy diddley with "market
>cap". You need cash! ;-)



Sure you can. Companies do it all the time by bidding to exchange
shares of the acquiring company for shares in the target company. GM
shareholders would end up with shares in Honda, Honda would own all of
GM's assets (and liabilities) and Honda share value is not diluted
because the increase in shares outstanding is offset by increased
value of the company after the acquisition.

Of course this is all hypothetical when no one would pay $11B for GM
at this point.
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Old 16 Apr 2006, 12:41 pm
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In article <ididnRDT75p-JNzZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com>, jcr
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> > On 4/15/2006 11:42 AM ... Jason wrote:
> > In article <1240hi3hitvds1a@corp.supernews.com>, "Charles"
> > <h90943@hotmail.commie> wrote:
> >
> >> "Saint Electrolux 59" <combiner@3domingorf.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4c3e0$443c85b7$d1cc7ae7$32211@snip.allthenews groups.com...
> >>> GM will be DEAD and BURIED before xmas 2006 - to be ressurected
> >>> as a division of Honda in 2007 albeit MUCH smaller and non-union.
> >>>
> >>> Should be fun!
> >> I would think that GM has the resources to buy Honda. Hmm 51% of GMAC,
> >> remaining 49%...
> >> Of course they should buy Honda and let their management run the show. Give
> >> all of the GM managers early outs.

> >
> > It would be more likely that Honda would buy GM instead of GM buying Honda.
> > Please remember the situation involving Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz.
> >
> > However, I doubt that Honda would want the problems connected to taking
> > over a company that has the debt burden (eg paying for the retirement and
> > related health care costs of thousands of GM employees) if GM.
> > Jason
> >

> ...unless the government made a deal to accept some of the debt
> themselves so that Honda's buyout at least kept some of the debt and
> kept people working (and tax-payers). Interesting idea!


Great point. However, I doubt that Honda or any other foreign car company
would want all of the problems connected with owning and running GM. It's
my guess that the owners of Mercedes now reqret taking over Chrysler. I
read one article in a car magazine indicating that the automotive
engineers from Mercedes gave up on trying to fix the design problems
related to some of the engines that were used in Chrysler vehicles. They
solved the problem by placing Mercedes engines in those vehicles.
Jason

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