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AZ Nomad wrote:

> experienced HOME mechanic.

Jon C just proved your point, and right on the nose, too!

I always get a kick out of work speed comparisons, especially on
something as wildly variant as "replacing a bushing". What make?
Model? Which suspension component? What tools are at your disposal?
How much corrosion? etc...

Toyota MDT in MO

Good job, I was going to say, to get an idea of your shocks condion
push down on your car it should bounce up-down-and-stop if the shocks
are good. If not, boing boing boing boing. LOL Did you use one of
those screw down spring compressors to disassemble your strut? I did
once, good grief, next time I will pull the strut and pay a shop a
couple bucks, or buy my buddy at the tire place dinner, and have them
throw it on their hydraulic spring compressor.

Those springs are DANGEROUS when compressed, a vice is not the tool to
use for compression, but for holding things while you use the
compressor they work well.

If you havent done something before, take your time. For me a Haynes
manual (15$) is essential as a general reference. . . when i did my
timing belt, they told me to take off my cruise control. . . . which
is on the other side of the engine bay from the timing belt. . . . . .
.. . . . . . . .

<andrewmcnown@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good job, I was going to say, to get an idea of your shocks condion
> push down on your car it should bounce up-down-and-stop if the shocks
> are good. If not, boing boing boing boing. LOL Did you use one of
> those screw down spring compressors to disassemble your strut? I did
> once, good grief, next time I will pull the strut and pay a shop a
> couple bucks, or buy my buddy at the tire place dinner, and have them
> throw it on their hydraulic spring compressor.
>
> Those springs are DANGEROUS when compressed, a vice is not the tool to
> use for compression, but for holding things while you use the
> compressor they work well.
>
The first time I did a strut I was really strapped for cash, had a paucity
of tools and the stores hadn't started the loan-a-tool program. A strut
compressor was out of my budget, so I got a bunch of muffler clamps (the
U-shaped things) and carefully fastened them in strategic places before I
loosened the big nut. Well, the big *hardware* nut, to clarify which nut we
are talking about. I got the strut apart without incident and got the spring
off before... "ZING!" all the clamps slipped around to one side of the
spring. I succeeded in getting it all straightened out using a big pair of
channel locks and a pair of vise grips, but my hands hurt when I was done. I
actually got the other side done without incident.

Mike

Michael Pardee wrote:
> <andrewmcnown@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142660699.252983.234720@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Good job, I was going to say, to get an idea of your shocks condion
>>push down on your car it should bounce up-down-and-stop if the shocks
>>are good. If not, boing boing boing boing. LOL Did you use one of
>>those screw down spring compressors to disassemble your strut? I did
>>once, good grief, next time I will pull the strut and pay a shop a
>>couple bucks, or buy my buddy at the tire place dinner, and have them
>>throw it on their hydraulic spring compressor.
>>
>>Those springs are DANGEROUS when compressed, a vice is not the tool to
>>use for compression, but for holding things while you use the
>>compressor they work well.
>>
>
> The first time I did a strut I was really strapped for cash, had a paucity
> of tools and the stores hadn't started the loan-a-tool program. A strut
> compressor was out of my budget, so I got a bunch of muffler clamps (the
> U-shaped things) and carefully fastened them in strategic places before I
> loosened the big nut. Well, the big *hardware* nut, to clarify which nut we
> are talking about. I got the strut apart without incident and got the spring
> off before... "ZING!" all the clamps slipped around to one side of the
> spring. I succeeded in getting it all straightened out using a big pair of
> channel locks and a pair of vise grips, but my hands hurt when I was done. I
> actually got the other side done without incident.
>
> Mike
>
>

Along the same lines, the Harbor Freight spring compressors are
perfectly adequate for a small FWD car and dirt cheap. Mine have
probably done 5 or 6 different cars. They are a PITA with hand tools
however; oiling the screws helps some but not a lot.

I wouldn't try them on a really stiff suspension or a heavy car
though... fortunately my larger cars don't have struts and therefore
don't require a spring compressor.

nate

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Okay, well I replaced my driver's side strut and now my car bounces
again. It is no where near as bad as it was with the bad strut, but
it is still unsafe. I changed the driver's side and when I compare it
w/ the passenger side it is much more springy.
The passenger side (original strut) is hard to push down on. If I
push down on the hood above the wheel it barely moves and there is not
much bounce at all (it's quite hard -could a strut be bad and be too
hard?).
When I do the same to the driver's side (non-OEM strut) it goes down
relatively easy (not much though) and then up, but then returns to the
original level with only a single up and down. ... it's just easier to
'wobble' the car from that side.
I was wondering if I could have messed the spring up when I had the
compressor on there, maybe have left them on for too long. I doubt
it..

I wonder if the damper brand I got is just crappy and doesn't
"dampen" very well or if it was a fluke and I got a weak one. It
was the cheapest Autozone had, a GABRIEL ULTRA SHOCK/STRUT, which came
with a lifetime warranty. The other one they had, the GABRIEL GUARDIAN
SHOCK/STRUT, was only a dollar more with a one year warranty though..

The spring still 'springs', but the damper doesn't 'dampen'. I'm
guessing it to be the damper, but would a spring do anything like this?
Maybe while I had the compressor on it it lost some length (got
shorter) compared to the passenger side spring? Not entirely likely,
but I read you should replace both springs at the same time. Maybe I
should replace both struts at the same time. Anyways...


any suggestions? Thanks all!!

"scube" <boxfreedom@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Okay, well I replaced my driver's side strut



You're not really supposed to replace just one. You should replace them in
axle sets.

And what year and model Honda is this? Most older Hondas do not have
"struts", but dampers instead (yes it matters). It is critical in those
cases that you snug down the bushing bolts with the suspension at its
normal resting attitude.

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"scube" <boxfreedom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, well I replaced my driver's side strut and now my car bounces
> again. It is no where near as bad as it was with the bad strut, but
> it is still unsafe. I changed the driver's side and when I compare it
> w/ the passenger side it is much more springy.
> The passenger side (original strut) is hard to push down on. If I
> push down on the hood above the wheel it barely moves and there is not
> much bounce at all (it's quite hard -could a strut be bad and be too
> hard?).

The strut is bad, replace it.

> When I do the same to the driver's side (non-OEM strut) it goes down
> relatively easy (not much though) and then up, but then returns to the
> original level with only a single up and down. ... it's just easier to
> 'wobble' the car from that side.

That test you did indicates the strut is ok.

> I was wondering if I could have messed the spring up when I had the
> compressor on there, maybe have left them on for too long. I doubt
> it..

Nope

>
> I wonder if the damper brand I got is just crappy and doesn't
> "dampen" very well or if it was a fluke and I got a weak one. It
> was the cheapest Autozone had, a GABRIEL ULTRA SHOCK/STRUT, which came
> with a lifetime warranty. The other one they had, the GABRIEL GUARDIAN
> SHOCK/STRUT, was only a dollar more with a one year warranty though..

Should be fine.

>
> The spring still 'springs', but the damper doesn't 'dampen'. I'm
> guessing it to be the damper, but would a spring do anything like this?
> Maybe while I had the compressor on it it lost some length (got
> shorter) compared to the passenger side spring? Not entirely likely,
> but I read you should replace both springs at the same time. Maybe I
> should replace both struts at the same time. Anyways...
>
>
> any suggestions? Thanks all!!

Replace the bad strut on the passenger side now. This is why it is
recommended to replace struts/shocks in pairs. I would also recommend the
rear shocks. You can check them the same way you did the struts.
>

"scube" <boxfreedom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143854852.951903.126900@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Okay, well I replaced my driver's side strut and now my car bounces
> again. It is no where near as bad as it was with the bad strut, but
> it is still unsafe. I changed the driver's side and when I compare it
> w/ the passenger side it is much more springy.
> The passenger side (original strut) is hard to push down on. If I
> push down on the hood above the wheel it barely moves and there is not
> much bounce at all (it's quite hard -could a strut be bad and be too
> hard?).
> When I do the same to the driver's side (non-OEM strut) it goes down
> relatively easy (not much though) and then up, but then returns to the
> original level with only a single up and down. ... it's just easier to
> 'wobble' the car from that side.
> I was wondering if I could have messed the spring up when I had the
> compressor on there, maybe have left them on for too long. I doubt
> it..
>
> I wonder if the damper brand I got is just crappy and doesn't
> "dampen" very well or if it was a fluke and I got a weak one. It
> was the cheapest Autozone had, a GABRIEL ULTRA SHOCK/STRUT, which came
> with a lifetime warranty. The other one they had, the GABRIEL GUARDIAN
> SHOCK/STRUT, was only a dollar more with a one year warranty though..
>
> The spring still 'springs', but the damper doesn't 'dampen'. I'm
> guessing it to be the damper, but would a spring do anything like this?
> Maybe while I had the compressor on it it lost some length (got
> shorter) compared to the passenger side spring? Not entirely likely,
> but I read you should replace both springs at the same time. Maybe I
> should replace both struts at the same time. Anyways...
>
>
> any suggestions? Thanks all!!
>
Have a hefty friend or two bounce the front end while you are watching the
various parts, especially the struts. The struts should expand and contract
exactly as the front end moves - if the front end is bouncing 2 inches, you
should see the strut move two inches on one end relative to the other.

Here's the thing. A good strut will compress (mainly it's the springs around
the cartridge that hold the car up) but will resist the expansion, so the
front end won't overshoot measurably when it comes back up. If the strut is
going boing (technical term) it is clearly bad or just too wimpy - new or
not. Heavy duty shocks really do have a lot more damping.

However, if the front end is bouncing two inches and the shock is moving one
inch, keep looking until you see where all that play is coming from. Just
keep your fingers away from the pinchy parts 8^O

Mike

okay,
so this is starting to make more sense (squeeze a little bit of
knowledge out at a time..)

when my driver's side tire hits a bump and absorbs some shock, the
passenger side is supposed to counter-act that and help w/ the
absorption?
So, if the passenger side was 'stiff' then it wouldn't absorb as
much and cause the driver side to seem to bounce? That makes sense
then.
Also, tightening the bushings w/ normal load on the springs was a
good suggestion (or procedure). I noticed that I could torque down
the lock nut at the top of the damper rod a few more turns w/ the tires
on the ground. this may help out as well, perhaps.

Also, my car wants to go to the left now, which is the same side I
replaced the shock on. I've heard you wanna get an alignment after
suspension work, but this is a hard pull to the left. Is this typical
or could something be loose/not adjusted correctly?
Maybe if I tighten down the locknut on top of the damper rod some
more I will get less pull? I guess the length of the strut would
place the tire at different angles, no?

Thanks for the great data and help...

"scube" <boxfreedom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Also, my car wants to go to the left now, which is the same side I
> replaced the shock on. I've heard you wanna get an alignment after
> suspension work, but this is a hard pull to the left. Is this typical
> or could something be loose/not adjusted correctly?
> Maybe if I tighten down the locknut on top of the damper rod some
> more I will get less pull? I guess the length of the strut would
> place the tire at different angles, no?
>
> Thanks for the great data and help...
>
That has me worried. If the toe-in were only affected the tires would wear
badly and the steering wheel wouldn't sit straight, but it wouldn't likely
pull to either side. It sounds like something isn't put together quite
right. When you replaced the axles, did they go in without a fight?

Alignment isn't normally affected by replacing drive axles, but that isn't a
bad occasion for checking alignment. I'm wondering if you would be money
ahead to take it for alignment, being sure to fess up about how it got the
way it is now.

Mike