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Old 25 Mar 2011, 04:31 pm
Robert Stiffler
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Default Help me fix my honda please?

Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know for
a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw in
any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder. The
problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so as
general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on the
coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?
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Old 25 Mar 2011, 05:55 pm
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Robert Stiffler <robert.stiffler@gmail.com> wrote in news:c2697385-1d89-
498d-b6d9-66adb0e94978@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com:

> Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
> through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know for
> a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw in
> any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
> driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder. The
> problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so as
> general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
> scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
> won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
> it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
> putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on the
> coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?
>




Have you pulled a plug wire and actually LOOKED at the spark jumping from
the plug wire to a handy ground?

Do not discount such very basic tests. You would be amazed how many people
fail to do very basic checks and miss simple problems because of it.

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Old 26 Mar 2011, 05:23 am
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Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and wait
for the light show.
"Robert Stiffler" <robert.stiffler@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
> through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know for
> a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw in
> any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
> driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder. The
> problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so as
> general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
> scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
> won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
> it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
> putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on the
> coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?



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Old 26 Mar 2011, 06:37 am
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"Clete" <mleclair@accesswave.ca> wrote in
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> Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and
> wait for the light show.



Oooh, pretty blue lights. I've seen those.




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Old 26 Mar 2011, 01:35 pm
Clete
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So have I . However it really narrows down the problem sometimes when you
see the arcing.
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> "Clete" <mleclair@accesswave.ca> wrote in
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>> Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and
>> wait for the light show.

>
>
> Oooh, pretty blue lights. I've seen those.
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Old 26 Mar 2011, 04:00 pm
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"Clete" <mleclair@accesswave.ca> wrote in
news:imkep6$vq1$1@speranza.aioe.org:

> Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and
> wait for the light show.
> "Robert Stiffler" <robert.stiffler@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c2697385-1d89-498d-b6d9-66adb0e94978@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>> Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
>> through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know
>> for a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw
>> in any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
>> driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder.
>> The problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so
>> as general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
>> scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
>> won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
>> it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
>> putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on
>> the coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?

>
>


yup,plug wires;
once the insulation breaks down,there's no "going back",it's always a path
for leakage. old plug wires are prone to that breakdown.

time to buy a new set of plug wires.

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Old 26 Mar 2011, 07:41 pm
Dillon Pyron
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Thus spake "Clete" <mleclair@accesswave.ca> :

>Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and wait
>for the light show.


Have that stupid brother-in-law stick his little finger in the boot
and hold on to the plug head with the other. If you have a stop watch
handy you can also verify your tach. Just count the number of screams
in a minute.

Now try that with a 40A magneto!!!

>"Robert Stiffler" <robert.stiffler@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c2697385-1d89-498d-b6d9-66adb0e94978@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
>> through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know for
>> a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw in
>> any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
>> driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder. The
>> problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so as
>> general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
>> scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
>> won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
>> it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
>> putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on the
>> coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?

>

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Old 26 Mar 2011, 09:38 pm
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On 3/26/2011 6:23 AM, Clete wrote:
> Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and wait
> for the light show.
> "Robert Stiffler"<robert.stiffler@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c2697385-1d89-498d-b6d9-66adb0e94978@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
>> through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know for
>> a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw in
>> any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
>> driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder. The
>> problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so as
>> general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
>> scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
>> won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
>> it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
>> putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on the
>> coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?

>
>



The OP "drove through some pretty deep water and started having
problems." BUT, it did still run. So he worked on the distributor, and
then it didn't run. Something he did while working on the distributor
is the reason it doesn't run. But, after he straightens out the
distributor it may still not run well because he has flood related
damage to an electrical component. He could get lucky and it could dry
out and be all better again, but probably not. Many people seem to have
to drive through "pretty deep water" one time to learn this lesson. Why
suspect plug wires? They worked fine before he went swimming, wires dry
off and are none the worse for having been wet. Does this model have an
igniter which many have been the damaged by the water or the OP's repair?





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Old 27 Mar 2011, 07:18 am
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Another trick I've used with old Fords was to hang a 40 watt bulb in the
engine compartment and close the hood as best you can and leave on for a few
hours. Dries everything out completely. Always worked.
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> On 3/26/2011 6:23 AM, Clete wrote:
>> Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and
>> wait
>> for the light show.
>> "Robert Stiffler"<robert.stiffler@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c2697385-1d89-498d-b6d9-66adb0e94978@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
>>> through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know for
>>> a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw in
>>> any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
>>> driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder. The
>>> problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so as
>>> general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
>>> scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
>>> won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
>>> it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
>>> putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on the
>>> coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?

>>
>>

>
>
> The OP "drove through some pretty deep water and started having problems."
> BUT, it did still run. So he worked on the distributor, and then it
> didn't run. Something he did while working on the distributor is the
> reason it doesn't run. But, after he straightens out the distributor it
> may still not run well because he has flood related damage to an
> electrical component. He could get lucky and it could dry out and be all
> better again, but probably not. Many people seem to have to drive through
> "pretty deep water" one time to learn this lesson. Why suspect plug
> wires? They worked fine before he went swimming, wires dry off and are
> none the worse for having been wet. Does this model have an igniter which
> many have been the damaged by the water or the OP's repair?
>
>
>
>
>



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Old 27 Mar 2011, 12:45 pm
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Al <al@spamless.net> wrote in news:4d8ea318$0$12648$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> On 3/26/2011 6:23 AM, Clete wrote:
>> Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc
>> and wait for the light show.
>> "Robert Stiffler"<robert.stiffler@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c2697385-1d89-498d-b6d9-66adb0e94978@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com
>> ...
>>> Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
>>> through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know
>>> for a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw
>>> in any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
>>> driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder.
>>> The problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so
>>> as general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
>>> scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
>>> won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
>>> it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
>>> putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on
>>> the coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?

>>
>>

>
>
> The OP "drove through some pretty deep water and started having
> problems." BUT, it did still run. So he worked on the distributor,
> and then it didn't run. Something he did while working on the
> distributor is the reason it doesn't run. But, after he straightens
> out the distributor it may still not run well because he has flood
> related damage to an electrical component. He could get lucky and it
> could dry out and be all better again, but probably not. Many people
> seem to have to drive through "pretty deep water" one time to learn
> this lesson. Why suspect plug wires? They worked fine before he went
> swimming, wires dry off and are none the worse for having been wet.


they're old wires,and aging insulation eventually breaks down,but once it
does break down,they don't recover. HV arcing causes carbon tracking.
it has to be cheaper to change plug wires than a HVcoil/cap.
I would have changed the wires before I tried the coil.

also,pulling on the plug ends can damage the wires,he may have done that
while changing the plugs.

> Does this model have an igniter which many have been the damaged by
> the water or the OP's repair?
>



the igniter is potted,isn't it?
unless it was immersed under water for some length of time,I doubt water
would affect the igniter. and it's on the low voltage side.

I wonder if he's done a scan of the OBD-II port for possible trouble codes?

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