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Old 19 Mar 2011, 04:20 pm
Jason Bourne
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Default Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendations

My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
injector symptoms. The dealer recommended he put in a gas additive
called BG 44K.

That stuff is many times more expensive that the additives you find in
the auto supply store. I'd gladly have him put some BG 44K in if it
really works-- but is it any better than STP/GumOut/Lucas/Chevron
Techron, etc.?



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Old 19 Mar 2011, 05:19 pm
Tegger
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Jason Bourne <jason@treadstone.net> wrote in news:im36na$bt3$1
@news.albasani.net:

> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
> injector symptoms.




What, specifically, are those symptoms?

Honda (and the dealer ought to know this) prohibits the use of ANY
additives or cleaners of ANY kind.


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Old 19 Mar 2011, 06:53 pm
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Jason Bourne <jason@treadstone.net> wrote in
news:im36na$bt3$1@news.albasani.net:

> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
> injector symptoms. The dealer recommended he put in a gas additive
> called BG 44K.
>
> That stuff is many times more expensive that the additives you find in
> the auto supply store. I'd gladly have him put some BG 44K in if it
> really works-- but is it any better than STP/GumOut/Lucas/Chevron
> Techron, etc.?
>
>
>
>


a quick Google scan shows a lot of positive comments for BG44K.
seems Autozone carries it,and one post mentioned they have buy 1,get 1 free
sales,perhaps with a coupon?

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Old 19 Mar 2011, 08:07 pm
Jason Bourne
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Default Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendations

On 3/19/11 6:19 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Jason Bourne<jason@treadstone.net> wrote in news:im36na$bt3$1
> @news.albasani.net:
>
>> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
>> injector symptoms.

>
>
>
> What, specifically, are those symptoms?
>
> Honda (and the dealer ought to know this) prohibits the use of ANY
> additives or cleaners of ANY kind.
>
>


Slight engine roughness for a a minute or two after the first cold start
in the morning, slightly rough idle after it warms up.

Most driving is local/suburban. About once a month, I drive a 350
interstate trip and for a few days after that, the idle is fine.
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Old 20 Mar 2011, 09:27 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Default Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendations

In article <im3k1a$8i4$1@news.albasani.net>,
Jason Bourne <jason@treadstone.net> wrote:

> >> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
> >> injector symptoms.

> >
> >
> >
> > What, specifically, are those symptoms?
> >
> > Honda (and the dealer ought to know this) prohibits the use of ANY
> > additives or cleaners of ANY kind.
> >
> >

>
> Slight engine roughness for a a minute or two after the first cold start
> in the morning, slightly rough idle after it warms up.


Well, Honda doesn't necessarily PROHIBIT anything, in that they're going
to come arrest you or something if you put it in.

They don't recommend anything, and they recommend that you don't use
anything.

But their dealers, being independent businesses, don't hesitate to say
things that contradict what the manufacturer says.

That all being said, I had great luck on an older Lexus by using Shell
93 for several tanks, to clean things out, then going back to Shell 87
to keep them clean. My gas mileage went up significantly.
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Old 20 Mar 2011, 12:30 pm
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Default Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendations

On 03/20/2011 07:27 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<im3k1a$8i4$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Jason Bourne<jason@treadstone.net> wrote:
>
>>>> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
>>>> injector symptoms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What, specifically, are those symptoms?
>>>
>>> Honda (and the dealer ought to know this) prohibits the use of ANY
>>> additives or cleaners of ANY kind.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Slight engine roughness for a a minute or two after the first cold start
>> in the morning, slightly rough idle after it warms up.

>
> Well, Honda doesn't necessarily PROHIBIT anything, in that they're going
> to come arrest you or something if you put it in.
>
> They don't recommend anything, and they recommend that you don't use
> anything.
>
> But their dealers, being independent businesses, don't hesitate to say
> things that contradict what the manufacturer says.
>
> That all being said, I had great luck on an older Lexus by using Shell
> 93 for several tanks, to clean things out, then going back to Shell 87
> to keep them clean. My gas mileage went up significantly.


it's also worth pointing out that honda are part of the "top tier gas"
consortium that advocates higher detergent content of fuel to keep the
engine running better. it's hard to see how a blanket "all additives
are bad" statement can be reconciled with that.


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Old 20 Mar 2011, 07:16 pm
Tegger
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-14DBA2.09270520032011@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <im3k1a$8i4$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Jason Bourne <jason@treadstone.net> wrote:
>
>> >> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
>> >> injector symptoms.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What, specifically, are those symptoms?
>> >
>> > Honda (and the dealer ought to know this) prohibits the use of ANY
>> > additives or cleaners of ANY kind.
>> >
>> >

>>
>> Slight engine roughness for a a minute or two after the first cold
>> start in the morning, slightly rough idle after it warms up.

>
> Well, Honda doesn't necessarily PROHIBIT anything, in that they're
> going to come arrest you or something if you put it in.
>
> They don't recommend anything, and they recommend that you don't use
> anything.




After digging into my records, I see I made a slight mistake: the
prohibition is for the AUTO TRANSMISSION.

Honda appears to have no problem with injector services and aftermarket
fuel additives.

Personal experience leads me to recommend Motorvac, which some garages
offer. Techron, applied as per the label on the bottle, may suffice as a
cheap alternative, but paying the $100 or so for a genuine Motorvac service
is the best one can do.


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Old 21 Mar 2011, 07:04 am
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9EADCA5801580jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.4 4...
> Jason Bourne <jason@treadstone.net> wrote in
> news:im36na$bt3$1@news.albasani.net:
>
>> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
>> injector symptoms. The dealer recommended he put in a gas additive
>> called BG 44K.
>>
>> That stuff is many times more expensive that the additives you find in
>> the auto supply store. I'd gladly have him put some BG 44K in if it
>> really works-- but is it any better than STP/GumOut/Lucas/Chevron
>> Techron, etc.?
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
> a quick Google scan shows a lot of positive comments for BG44K.
> seems Autozone carries it,and one post mentioned they have buy 1,get 1
> free
> sales,perhaps with a coupon?


In the past, the MSDS for BG 44K indicated that it included the same active
ingredient as Techron. Later MSDS's for the same product indicated it was no
longer included Techron. I wondered if the positive comments for BG44K were
generated when it included Techron and now that it is pretty much the same
as the stuff STP sells, it is less effective. I persoanlly like the Chevron
Techron products, but if you are only going by persoanl; testimonials, it is
difficult to say the Chevron prducts are better than others that claim to do
the same thing. I know people who swear "Sea Foam" will fix almost any
problem. To hear them talk, pouring it over the outside of the engine will
restore the engine to new. I also know people who claim Split Fire Spark
Plugs increae power by 25%, who claim K&N air filter improve fuel economy by
15%, who think teflon chunks in oil make engines lat forever, etc., etc.,
etc. I had a guy accost me at the gas pumps one day telling me how STP fuel
system cleaner improved his fuel mile by 30%.

I don' think BG44K will hurt your engine. So try it. Persoanlly, I'd try the
Chevron Techron product first. I know the Techron product includes a useful
active ingredient.

Ed


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Old 23 Mar 2011, 04:52 am
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On 03/21/11 08:04, C. E. White wrote:
> "Jim Yanik"<jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns9EADCA5801580jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.4 4...
>> Jason Bourne<jason@treadstone.net> wrote in
>> news:im36na$bt3$1@news.albasani.net:
>>
>>> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
>>> injector symptoms. The dealer recommended he put in a gas additive
>>> called BG 44K.
>>>
>>> That stuff is many times more expensive that the additives you find in
>>> the auto supply store. I'd gladly have him put some BG 44K in if it
>>> really works-- but is it any better than STP/GumOut/Lucas/Chevron
>>> Techron, etc.?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> a quick Google scan shows a lot of positive comments for BG44K.
>> seems Autozone carries it,and one post mentioned they have buy 1,get 1
>> free
>> sales,perhaps with a coupon?

>
> In the past, the MSDS for BG 44K indicated that it included the same active
> ingredient as Techron. Later MSDS's for the same product indicated it was no
> longer included Techron. I wondered if the positive comments for BG44K were
> generated when it included Techron and now that it is pretty much the same
> as the stuff STP sells, it is less effective. I persoanlly like the Chevron
> Techron products, but if you are only going by persoanl; testimonials, it is
> difficult to say the Chevron prducts are better than others that claim to do
> the same thing. I know people who swear "Sea Foam" will fix almost any
> problem. To hear them talk, pouring it over the outside of the engine will
> restore the engine to new. I also know people who claim Split Fire Spark
> Plugs increae power by 25%, who claim K&N air filter improve fuel economy by
> 15%, who think teflon chunks in oil make engines lat forever, etc., etc.,
> etc. I had a guy accost me at the gas pumps one day telling me how STP fuel
> system cleaner improved his fuel mile by 30%.
>
> I don' think BG44K will hurt your engine. So try it. Persoanlly, I'd try the
> Chevron Techron product first. I know the Techron product includes a useful
> active ingredient.


IIRC, the hot recommendation on this NG a couple or more years ago was
Chevron's Techron, which I've gone ahead with added more or less
annually. My 2003 Accord sedan, I4, 5AT, etc., still runs great with
72,000 miles on the odometer.

Whatever you decide to use, please post back and let us know the
results, good or bad. TIA
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Old 24 Mar 2011, 08:43 am
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On 3/23/11 5:52 AM, Tony Harding wrote:
> On 03/21/11 08:04, C. E. White wrote:
>> "Jim Yanik"<jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9EADCA5801580jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.4 4...
>>> Jason Bourne<jason@treadstone.net> wrote in
>>> news:im36na$bt3$1@news.albasani.net:
>>>
>>>> My '07 Accord 6 cyl with 30K miles has developed some dirty fuel
>>>> injector symptoms. The dealer recommended he put in a gas additive
>>>> called BG 44K.
>>>>
>>>> That stuff is many times more expensive that the additives you find in
>>>> the auto supply store. I'd gladly have him put some BG 44K in if it
>>>> really works-- but is it any better than STP/GumOut/Lucas/Chevron
>>>> Techron, etc.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> a quick Google scan shows a lot of positive comments for BG44K.
>>> seems Autozone carries it,and one post mentioned they have buy 1,get 1
>>> free
>>> sales,perhaps with a coupon?

>>
>> In the past, the MSDS for BG 44K indicated that it included the same
>> active
>> ingredient as Techron. Later MSDS's for the same product indicated it
>> was no
>> longer included Techron. I wondered if the positive comments for BG44K
>> were
>> generated when it included Techron and now that it is pretty much the
>> same
>> as the stuff STP sells, it is less effective. I persoanlly like the
>> Chevron
>> Techron products, but if you are only going by persoanl; testimonials,
>> it is
>> difficult to say the Chevron prducts are better than others that claim
>> to do
>> the same thing. I know people who swear "Sea Foam" will fix almost any
>> problem. To hear them talk, pouring it over the outside of the engine
>> will
>> restore the engine to new. I also know people who claim Split Fire Spark
>> Plugs increae power by 25%, who claim K&N air filter improve fuel
>> economy by
>> 15%, who think teflon chunks in oil make engines lat forever, etc., etc.,
>> etc. I had a guy accost me at the gas pumps one day telling me how STP
>> fuel
>> system cleaner improved his fuel mile by 30%.
>>
>> I don' think BG44K will hurt your engine. So try it. Persoanlly, I'd
>> try the
>> Chevron Techron product first. I know the Techron product includes a
>> useful
>> active ingredient.

>
> IIRC, the hot recommendation on this NG a couple or more years ago was
> Chevron's Techron, which I've gone ahead with added more or less
> annually. My 2003 Accord sedan, I4, 5AT, etc., still runs great with
> 72,000 miles on the odometer.
>
> Whatever you decide to use, please post back and let us know the
> results, good or bad. TIA


OK, the consensus in my price range seems to be Chevron Techron so I
bought a bottle of Concentrate Plus. The instructions say it treats up
to 15 gallons. My tank currently is full so I'll need to wait a few days
until I burn off a few gallons and then I'll dump the Techron in there.

No doubt I'll have to jump back out of the way quickly to avoid being
injured by the suddenly smooth running fire-breather my Accord will
become again.

Thanks for the input-- I'll let y'all know how it goes...
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