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Old 25 Feb 2011, 06:56 pm
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Default What Model Do I Have?

I recently bought a 2001 Accord here in Canada and I am having a heck of a
time figuring out exactly what model the car is.

The dealer that I bought it from was a Toyota dealer and therefore not
terribly knowledgeable about Hondas but they advertised the car as an EX-L.
However, I am not sure that's a "real" model designation, as opposed to
something that's just been made up. I halfway suspect that the car is
actually just an EX with leather seats so they described it as an EX-L to
indicate the presence of the leather seats. But I don't pretend to know what
official model designations Honda Canada has set up.

I had hoped to find something in or on the car itself that told me the model
but was very surprised to find nothing indicating a model on the door
panels.

I was googling to find out more when I discovered a site for Honda owners
that says it can determine the exact model from the VIN numbers. However,
when I went to that site - https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/ - and tried to
register, it claims that my VIN is not a valid one. I'm taking the VIN from
the bill of sale, which agrees with the VIN on the emissions test but the
site claims its not a valid VIN. Does anyone know if this website can only
validate VIN numbers for US vehicles and is not able to verify a Canadian
VIN? Otherwise, my documentation has the wrong VIN on it and that might
present problems with insurance and so forth.

Complicating all of this is the fact that the font Honda has chosen to use
on the VIN is not the easiest to read in the first place and I have emerging
cataracts, making it a non-trivial task to read the darn VIN.

If anyone knows a reliable way to determine my model, I'd love to hear it!

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Old 25 Feb 2011, 07:17 pm
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"Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in message
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> I recently bought a 2001 Accord here in Canada and I am having a heck of a
> time figuring out exactly what model the car is.
>
> The dealer that I bought it from was a Toyota dealer and therefore not
> terribly knowledgeable about Hondas but they advertised the car as an
> EX-L. However, I am not sure that's a "real" model designation, as opposed
> to something that's just been made up. I halfway suspect that the car is
> actually just an EX with leather seats so they described it as an EX-L to
> indicate the presence of the leather seats. But I don't pretend to know
> what official model designations Honda Canada has set up.
>
> I had hoped to find something in or on the car itself that told me the
> model but was very surprised to find nothing indicating a model on the
> door panels.
>
> I was googling to find out more when I discovered a site for Honda owners
> that says it can determine the exact model from the VIN numbers. However,
> when I went to that site - https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/ - and tried to
> register, it claims that my VIN is not a valid one. I'm taking the VIN
> from the bill of sale, which agrees with the VIN on the emissions test but
> the site claims its not a valid VIN. Does anyone know if this website can
> only validate VIN numbers for US vehicles and is not able to verify a
> Canadian VIN? Otherwise, my documentation has the wrong VIN on it and that
> might present problems with insurance and so forth.
>
> Complicating all of this is the fact that the font Honda has chosen to use
> on the VIN is not the easiest to read in the first place and I have
> emerging cataracts, making it a non-trivial task to read the darn VIN.
>
> If anyone knows a reliable way to determine my model, I'd love to hear it!


If the leather seats are factory, then it is an EX-L. If aftermarket, then
not.


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Old 25 Feb 2011, 07:55 pm
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"Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in
news:ik9j38$jg8$1@speranza.aioe.org:

> I recently bought a 2001 Accord here in Canada and I am having a heck
> of a time figuring out exactly what model the car is.
>
> The dealer that I bought it from was a Toyota dealer and therefore not
> terribly knowledgeable about Hondas but they advertised the car as an
> EX-L. However, I am not sure that's a "real" model designation, as
> opposed to something that's just been made up. I halfway suspect that
> the car is actually just an EX with leather seats so they described it
> as an EX-L to indicate the presence of the leather seats. But I don't
> pretend to know what official model designations Honda Canada has set
> up.




Doesn't it say "EX-L" on the trunk lid?


>
> I had hoped to find something in or on the car itself that told me the
> model but was very surprised to find nothing indicating a model on the
> door panels.
>
> I was googling to find out more when I discovered a site for Honda
> owners that says it can determine the exact model from the VIN
> numbers. However, when I went to that site -
> https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/




That's American Honda's Owner site. Honda Canada, Inc. is a separate
company, and has its own Owner site:
<http://www.honda.ca/owners/website>



> - and tried to register, it claims that
> my VIN is not a valid one. I'm taking the VIN from the bill of sale,
> which agrees with the VIN on the emissions test but the site claims
> its not a valid VIN. Does anyone know if this website can only
> validate VIN numbers for US vehicles and is not able to verify a
> Canadian VIN?




That's right. Canadian VINs have an "8" as the 12th digit. US models
have a zero. That's how dealers can tell if they have a US- or Canadian-
market car in front of them.

The place for you is:
<http://www.honda.ca/owners/website>



> Otherwise, my documentation has the wrong VIN on it and
> that might present problems with insurance and so forth.




No issues there. The insurance company will know the difference.


>
> Complicating all of this is the fact that the font Honda has chosen to
> use on the VIN is not the easiest to read in the first place and I
> have emerging cataracts, making it a non-trivial task to read the darn
> VIN.
>
> If anyone knows a reliable way to determine my model, I'd love to hear
> it!
>




<http://www.honda.ca/owners/website>

Register your car and you'll know soon enough if the Toyota dealer is
pulling a fast one or not.


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Old 26 Feb 2011, 07:44 am
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"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in message
> news:ik9j38$jg8$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> I recently bought a 2001 Accord here in Canada and I am having a heck of
>> a time figuring out exactly what model the car is.
>>
>> The dealer that I bought it from was a Toyota dealer and therefore not
>> terribly knowledgeable about Hondas but they advertised the car as an
>> EX-L. However, I am not sure that's a "real" model designation, as
>> opposed to something that's just been made up. I halfway suspect that the
>> car is actually just an EX with leather seats so they described it as an
>> EX-L to indicate the presence of the leather seats. But I don't pretend
>> to know what official model designations Honda Canada has set up.
>>
>> I had hoped to find something in or on the car itself that told me the
>> model but was very surprised to find nothing indicating a model on the
>> door panels.
>>
>> I was googling to find out more when I discovered a site for Honda owners
>> that says it can determine the exact model from the VIN numbers. However,
>> when I went to that site - https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/ - and tried to
>> register, it claims that my VIN is not a valid one. I'm taking the VIN
>> from the bill of sale, which agrees with the VIN on the emissions test
>> but the site claims its not a valid VIN. Does anyone know if this website
>> can only validate VIN numbers for US vehicles and is not able to verify a
>> Canadian VIN? Otherwise, my documentation has the wrong VIN on it and
>> that might present problems with insurance and so forth.
>>
>> Complicating all of this is the fact that the font Honda has chosen to
>> use on the VIN is not the easiest to read in the first place and I have
>> emerging cataracts, making it a non-trivial task to read the darn VIN.
>>
>> If anyone knows a reliable way to determine my model, I'd love to hear
>> it!

>
> If the leather seats are factory, then it is an EX-L. If aftermarket, then
> not.
>


I bought the car used so I'm not sure how to tell if the seats are factory
or not. Any ideas how to determine that categorically?

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Old 26 Feb 2011, 07:49 am
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"Tegger" <invalid@example.com> wrote in message
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> "Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in
> news:ik9j38$jg8$1@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> I recently bought a 2001 Accord here in Canada and I am having a heck
>> of a time figuring out exactly what model the car is.
>>
>> The dealer that I bought it from was a Toyota dealer and therefore not
>> terribly knowledgeable about Hondas but they advertised the car as an
>> EX-L. However, I am not sure that's a "real" model designation, as
>> opposed to something that's just been made up. I halfway suspect that
>> the car is actually just an EX with leather seats so they described it
>> as an EX-L to indicate the presence of the leather seats. But I don't
>> pretend to know what official model designations Honda Canada has set
>> up.

>
>
>
> Doesn't it say "EX-L" on the trunk lid?
>

D'uh! I can't believe I forgot about the trunk lid! Thanks for reminding me!
I'll go have a look at that....
>
>>
>> I had hoped to find something in or on the car itself that told me the
>> model but was very surprised to find nothing indicating a model on the
>> door panels.
>>
>> I was googling to find out more when I discovered a site for Honda
>> owners that says it can determine the exact model from the VIN
>> numbers. However, when I went to that site -
>> https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/

>
>
>
> That's American Honda's Owner site. Honda Canada, Inc. is a separate
> company, and has its own Owner site:
> <http://www.honda.ca/owners/website>
>

Excellent, thanks for that!!
>
>
>> - and tried to register, it claims that
>> my VIN is not a valid one. I'm taking the VIN from the bill of sale,
>> which agrees with the VIN on the emissions test but the site claims
>> its not a valid VIN. Does anyone know if this website can only
>> validate VIN numbers for US vehicles and is not able to verify a
>> Canadian VIN?

>
>
>
> That's right. Canadian VINs have an "8" as the 12th digit. US models
> have a zero. That's how dealers can tell if they have a US- or Canadian-
> market car in front of them.
>

Excellent! More useful information. And I _do_ have an 8 as the 12th digit
which confirms what a Honday dealer told me previously, that it is a
Canadian VIN.

One of the door plates proudly states "Made in the USA" but also has a
Canadian logo on it, which I found annoyingly self-contradictory....

> The place for you is:
> <http://www.honda.ca/owners/website>
>

Thank you!!
>
>
>> Otherwise, my documentation has the wrong VIN on it and
>> that might present problems with insurance and so forth.

>
>
>
> No issues there. The insurance company will know the difference.
>
>
>>
>> Complicating all of this is the fact that the font Honda has chosen to
>> use on the VIN is not the easiest to read in the first place and I
>> have emerging cataracts, making it a non-trivial task to read the darn
>> VIN.
>>
>> If anyone knows a reliable way to determine my model, I'd love to hear
>> it!
>>

>
>
>
> <http://www.honda.ca/owners/website>
>
> Register your car and you'll know soon enough if the Toyota dealer is
> pulling a fast one or not.
>

Many thanks!!

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Old 26 Feb 2011, 09:16 am
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"Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in
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>
> One of the door plates proudly states "Made in the USA" but also has a
> Canadian logo on it, which I found annoyingly self-contradictory....




What's the 11th character of your VIN? If it's an "A", the car was made in
Marysville, Ohio. The VIN's 1st character will be "1", "4", or 5".

The Canadian logo on it is probably Transport Canada's logo. That means the
car was made to Transport Canada's regulations in effect at the time of
assembly.


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"Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in
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> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
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>>


>>>
>>> If anyone knows a reliable way to determine my model, I'd love to
>>> hear it!

>>
>> If the leather seats are factory, then it is an EX-L. If aftermarket,
>> then not.
>>

>
> I bought the car used so I'm not sure how to tell if the seats are
> factory or not. Any ideas how to determine that categorically?
>




What are the first 8 characters of your VIN?

There is no personal information in the first 8 characters, but leather-
interior models are sometimes called out in the 4th to 8th characters.



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Old 26 Feb 2011, 10:53 am
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"Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in message
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> "Tegger" <invalid@example.com> wrote in message
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>> "Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in
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For what it's worth, I had a look at the trunk lid and it only says
"Accord". There is no model designation at all. Given that it might have
fallen off or been stolen, I had a look but couldn't see any sign that there
had EVER been a model designation anywhere near "Accord" on the trunk lid:
no vestiges of glue, no "shadow" of a model designation. Is it normal for
2001 Accords to be missing a model designation?

I verified the exact characters used in the VIN plate on the dash and
registered at the Honda Canada owners site with that VIN. It says that my
car is a 2001 Accord 4D EX-LT. I assume it found that by looking up the VIN
in its internal database.

Is EX-LT a real model designation? I've never heard of that one before. Then
again, I certainly don't keep up with all of the umpteen models of all the
cars in the world or even just the models sold by Honda Canada.

Also, does the '8' in the 12th position of the VIN prove that the car was
made here in Canada or only that it was sold here and might have actually
been manufactured in the US or Japan or wherever else Honda builds cars?

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Old 26 Feb 2011, 11:11 am
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"Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in
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>
> Also, does the '8' in the 12th position of the VIN prove that the car
> was made here in Canada or only that it was sold here and might have
> actually been manufactured in the US or Japan or wherever else Honda
> builds cars?
>




The "8" refers to the market the car was intended for, not where the car
was made. Your car was probably built in Marysville, Ohio.

As for the EX-L badge, if the car originally came with one (as I'm sure it
did), it should be right under the "Accord" badge. It's just stuck on with
tape. They do fall off on occasion, and are sometimes not replaced when
bodywork is done.



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"Tegger" <invalid@example.com> wrote in message
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> "Rhino" <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote in
> news:ikb049$s3g$1@speranza.aioe.org:
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>>
>> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
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>>>

>
>>>>
>>>> If anyone knows a reliable way to determine my model, I'd love to
>>>> hear it!
>>>
>>> If the leather seats are factory, then it is an EX-L. If aftermarket,
>>> then not.
>>>

>>
>> I bought the car used so I'm not sure how to tell if the seats are
>> factory or not. Any ideas how to determine that categorically?
>>

>
>
>
> What are the first 8 characters of your VIN?
>
> There is no personal information in the first 8 characters, but leather-
> interior models are sometimes called out in the 4th to 8th characters.
>

The VIN starts with 1HGCG556, making the 4th through 8th characters "CG556".

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