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I've heard that car A/C doesn't work below a certain temperature
because if it's freezing out, the coils might freeze up. Yet the guy
at the dealer says, run the A/C to clear interior fog on the windows,
and doesn't make any exception for freezing weather. Could someone
explain what actually happens?

If the A/C doesn't kick in when it is freezing out, how come the A/C
light still lights up?

Gordon Zola wrote:
> I've heard that car A/C doesn't work below a certain temperature
> because if it's freezing out, the coils might freeze up.

Don't know much about A/C's, but I'm pretty sure that the operating
temperature is not at 0 deg C. The coils aren't filled with water,
they're some type of liquid similar to freon. According to a website I
found, the freezing point of freon-12 is -158C. Maybe some other
fluids/lubricants would cause the A/C to seize before the coils would.

http://webphysics.iupui.edu/webscien...igerators.html

"Gordon Zola" <Zola@midnightisp.com> wrote in message
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> I've heard that car A/C doesn't work below a certain temperature
> because if it's freezing out, the coils might freeze up. Yet the guy
> at the dealer says, run the A/C to clear interior fog on the windows,
> and doesn't make any exception for freezing weather. Could someone
> explain what actually happens?

A/C works just fine in cold weather.

> If the A/C doesn't kick in when it is freezing out, how come the A/C
> light still lights up?

The light comes on because the A/C is turned on.

That and the fact the reason they say to run the A/C to clear the windows is
that it acts like a dehumidifier and helps remove moisture from the air.


"Gordon Zola" <Zola@midnightisp.com> wrote in message
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> I've heard that car A/C doesn't work below a certain temperature
> because if it's freezing out, the coils might freeze up. Yet the guy
> at the dealer says, run the A/C to clear interior fog on the windows,
> and doesn't make any exception for freezing weather. Could someone
> explain what actually happens?
>
> If the A/C doesn't kick in when it is freezing out, how come the A/C
> light still lights up?

You are listening to people living in the past. While it use to be true that
the A/C wouldn't come on at low temperatures it is not true today.


"Gordon Zola" <Zola@midnightisp.com> wrote in message
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> I've heard that car A/C doesn't work below a certain temperature
> because if it's freezing out, the coils might freeze up. Yet the guy
> at the dealer says, run the A/C to clear interior fog on the windows,
> and doesn't make any exception for freezing weather. Could someone
> explain what actually happens?
>
> If the A/C doesn't kick in when it is freezing out, how come the A/C
> light still lights up?

Gordon Zola wrote:
>
> I've heard that car A/C doesn't work below a certain temperature
> because if it's freezing out, the coils might freeze up. Yet the guy
> at the dealer says, run the A/C to clear interior fog on the windows,
> and doesn't make any exception for freezing weather. Could someone
> explain what actually happens?
>
> If the A/C doesn't kick in when it is freezing out, how come the A/C
> light still lights up?


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The best dehumidifier in winter is to turn OFF the recirculate, and pump
bone-dry air into your car, displacing the moisture from your wet floor
mats. Works best in areas where winter is DRY.

Your Owner's Manual says you should use the AC occasionally in the
winter to keep it lubed. It will only cut in above a certain under-hood
temperature.

'Curly'

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:51:45 GMT, "Ross Cranford"
<rossc96@hotmail.com> wrote:

>That and the fact the reason they say to run the A/C to clear the windows is
>that it acts like a dehumidifier and helps remove moisture from the air.

Yeah. So in the summer time, the evaporator runs at around 32F/0C, the
water vapor in the air condenses on the evaporator coils, forms
liquid, and drips out of the car.

But in the winter when it is say 0F/-18C, the water vapor turns to
frost on the evaporator coils. It can't drip out because it is solid
ice. The evaporator ices up. At least this will be true when the car
is first started if the A/C is on.

Ten or 15 minutes later when the interior warms up, the situation may
be different, but by then you won't need the A/C to dry the air,
because the dry air from the outside plus the heat is doing that.

Just trying to understand what is happening....

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:39:44 GMT, "Brian Smith"
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

>
>"Gordon Zola" <Zola@midnightisp.com> wrote in message
>news:f31jn153ekaa5glja916hkhhm3t4ocpo0h@4ax.com.. .
>> I've heard that car A/C doesn't work below a certain temperature
>> because if it's freezing out, the coils might freeze up. Yet the guy
>> at the dealer says, run the A/C to clear interior fog on the windows,
>> and doesn't make any exception for freezing weather. Could someone
>> explain what actually happens?
>
> A/C works just fine in cold weather.
>
>> If the A/C doesn't kick in when it is freezing out, how come the A/C
>> light still lights up?
>
> The light comes on because the A/C is turned on.

The AC will turn on at any temperature but won't cool if the ambient
temp is below around 5 C. At such low temperatures, the evaporator
would cool below 0 C and the water condensing on it would form ice.

Under cold conditions, the AC is useless for dehumidifying the air and
preventing fog on the windows.

While the main purpose of AC is to cool the vehicle in the summer, it
can be used in the winter to help warm it up. That's because the AC
puts a load on the engine, which then warms up faster, and that gives
quicker heat out of the heater. Of course this uses up more gas, so
turn off the AC when the interior is warm enough.

Randy

"Randy" <Randy@fake.com> wrote in message
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>
> The AC will turn on at any temperature but won't cool if the ambient
> temp is below around 5 C. At such low temperatures, the evaporator
> would cool below 0 C and the water condensing on it would form ice.

It's not used to cool the air in the passenger compartment it is used to
remove the moisture in the air. It does that just fine in my vehicle here in
Nova Scotia through Winter.

> Under cold conditions, the AC is useless for dehumidifying the air and
> preventing fog on the windows.

Apparently not true with my experiences.

> While the main purpose of AC is to cool the vehicle in the summer, it
> can be used in the winter to help warm it up. That's because the AC
> puts a load on the engine, which then warms up faster, and that gives
> quicker heat out of the heater. Of course this uses up more gas, so
> turn off the AC when the interior is warm enough.

Driving the vehicle puts more load on the engine that the A/C ever would or
could.

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:31:36 GMT, "Brian Smith"
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

>
>"Randy" <Randy@fake.com> wrote in message
>news:je5on15jvm00fqu9bh748pf92m2ef5q348@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> The AC will turn on at any temperature but won't cool if the ambient
>> temp is below around 5 C. At such low temperatures, the evaporator
>> would cool below 0 C and the water condensing on it would form ice.
>
>It's not used to cool the air in the passenger compartment it is used to
>remove the moisture in the air. It does that just fine in my vehicle here in
>Nova Scotia through Winter.
>
>> Under cold conditions, the AC is useless for dehumidifying the air and
>> preventing fog on the windows.
>
>Apparently not true with my experiences.

Such is the power of faith.

>> While the main purpose of AC is to cool the vehicle in the summer, it
>> can be used in the winter to help warm it up. That's because the AC
>> puts a load on the engine, which then warms up faster, and that gives
>> quicker heat out of the heater. Of course this uses up more gas, so
>> turn off the AC when the interior is warm enough.
>
>Driving the vehicle puts more load on the engine that the A/C ever would or
>could.

Yes, very true.

Randy