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Old 30 Jan 2011, 02:04 am
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I never see air filter replacement in the maint. schedule or
itemized in the bills of my '94 Accord. What gives? Is the air filter a
non-replaceable item?

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Old 30 Jan 2011, 09:43 am
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"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> I never see air filter replacement in the maint. schedule or
> itemized in the bills of my '94 Accord. What gives? Is the air
> filter a non-replaceable item?


That would be as close to impossible as it could be. If your air
filter hasn't been changed since '94, there would probably be no
oxygen to support combustion!


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Old 30 Jan 2011, 11:01 am
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"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:ii362d$kmf$1@news.eternal-
september.org:

> I never see air filter replacement in the maint. schedule or
> itemized in the bills of my '94 Accord. What gives? Is the air filter a
> non-replaceable item?
>



Check the Maintenance Schedule again; it's in there!

The interval is probably 30K miles.


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Old 30 Jan 2011, 06:43 pm
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"Tegger" <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> Check the Maintenance Schedule again; it's in there!
>
> The interval is probably 30K miles.


Every 30K miles? No wonder I missed it. It's not a frequent item.
But I did find it in the maintenance chart, right on the top, under the
column titles. I must have skipped that row, too.
By the way, searching for the downloadable service manuals for the
'94 Accord, I see such designations on the various web sites as Accord
1994 CD7 CD9 USDM JDM and CE1 CE2. What do they mean by those
abbreviations? I found one for just plain 1994 Accord but that turned
out to be for the Coupe. How do I find one for the LX model?

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Old 31 Jan 2011, 06:23 am
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"Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:ii50is$aul$1@news.eternal-
september.org:

> "Tegger" <invalid@example.com> wrote:
>> Check the Maintenance Schedule again; it's in there!
>>
>> The interval is probably 30K miles.

>
> Every 30K miles? No wonder I missed it. It's not a frequent item.
> But I did find it in the maintenance chart, right on the top, under the
> column titles. I must have skipped that row, too.
> By the way, searching for the downloadable service manuals for the
> '94 Accord, I see such designations on the various web sites as Accord
> 1994 CD7 CD9 USDM JDM and CE1 CE2. What do they mean by those
> abbreviations? I found one for just plain 1994 Accord but that turned
> out to be for the Coupe. How do I find one for the LX model?
>
>



The manuals found on the Web tend to be for European models. There are
significant differences betwen US models and those meant for other parts of
the world, so it's not a good idea to rely on non-US manuals for
information. Honda's UK division posted some those manuals for free on
their Website for a while, which is why they're everywhere now.

As for the "CD", CE", etc., those are internal Honda designations for the
various Accord chassis. They are different from the EX, LX, etc., that
you'll find on the trunk lid.

"CA" was the gereration made from 1986 to 1989, "CB" was made from 1990 to
1993, "CD" from 1994 to 1997, etc. The numbers after the letter code refer
to the bodystyle (sedan, wagon...) and to the engine that was installed.

"EX", LX", etc., are the trim line designations that Honda used to denote
the models' retail price class.

The only really reliable source for US-specific Honda information is
American Honda itself, at:
https://techinfo.honda.com
It's $10 for a 3-day unlimited subscription.

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Old 31 Jan 2011, 06:57 am
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ii362d$kmf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> I never see air filter replacement in the maint. schedule or itemized
>> in the bills of my '94 Accord. What gives? Is the air filter a
>> non-replaceable item?

>
> That would be as close to impossible as it could be. If your air filter
> hasn't been changed since '94, there would probably be no oxygen to
> support combustion!


Actually Ford sold Foci with a "lifetime" air filter (not really "lifetime",
but it didn't have a routine replacement interval). It is not impossible to
do. In fact most people probably change air filter too often. Here is a link
to the Visteon website where they discuss their long life filtration system
(300,000 miles - i.e., lifetime for most cars):

http://www.visteon.com/company/features/100103.html

Ideally vehicles should have a filter restriction indicator to prevent
chaning filters needlessly. My farm tractors all have these indicators, and
it is surprising how dirty a filter gets before it triggers the light.

http://news.carjunky.com/car_mainten...n-cdh802.shtml
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1610001
http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=21475

Ed


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Old 31 Jan 2011, 01:20 pm
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C. E. White, wrote the following at or about 1/31/2011 6:57 AM:
> "Stewart"<gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ii40um$v38$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Cameo"<cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ii362d$kmf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> I never see air filter replacement in the maint. schedule or itemized
>>> in the bills of my '94 Accord. What gives? Is the air filter a
>>> non-replaceable item?

>>
>> That would be as close to impossible as it could be. If your air filter
>> hasn't been changed since '94, there would probably be no oxygen to
>> support combustion!

>
> Actually Ford sold Foci with a "lifetime" air filter (not really "lifetime",
> but it didn't have a routine replacement interval). It is not impossible to
> do. In fact most people probably change air filter too often. Here is a link
> to the Visteon website where they discuss their long life filtration system
> (300,000 miles - i.e., lifetime for most cars):
>
> http://www.visteon.com/company/features/100103.html
>
> Ideally vehicles should have a filter restriction indicator to prevent
> chaning filters needlessly. My farm tractors all have these indicators, and
> it is surprising how dirty a filter gets before it triggers the light.



LOL! That still would not prevent the dildos working at Jiffy Screw,
er, Lube from trying to sell you one at twice the price within 3,000
miles of having changed yours.





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Old 31 Jan 2011, 03:47 pm
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On 1/31/11 2:20 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> C. E. White, wrote the following at or about 1/31/2011 6:57 AM:
>> "Stewart"<gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ii40um$v38$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Cameo"<cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ii362d$kmf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> I never see air filter replacement in the maint. schedule or itemized
>>>> in the bills of my '94 Accord. What gives? Is the air filter a
>>>> non-replaceable item?
>>>
>>> That would be as close to impossible as it could be. If your air filter
>>> hasn't been changed since '94, there would probably be no oxygen to
>>> support combustion!

>>
>> Actually Ford sold Foci with a "lifetime" air filter (not really
>> "lifetime",
>> but it didn't have a routine replacement interval). It is not
>> impossible to
>> do. In fact most people probably change air filter too often. Here is
>> a link
>> to the Visteon website where they discuss their long life filtration
>> system
>> (300,000 miles - i.e., lifetime for most cars):
>>
>> http://www.visteon.com/company/features/100103.html
>>
>> Ideally vehicles should have a filter restriction indicator to prevent
>> chaning filters needlessly. My farm tractors all have these
>> indicators, and
>> it is surprising how dirty a filter gets before it triggers the light.

>
>
> LOL! That still would not prevent the dildos working at Jiffy Screw, er,
> Lube from trying to sell you one at twice the price within 3,000 miles
> of having changed yours.
>


That's all too true about Jiffy Lube. I usually do my own service. One
time a few years ago, I had done completed all service items but as I
went to crawl under the car to drain the oil, I wrenched my back out and
couldn't complete the job. So I asked my wife to take the car over to
the neighborhood garage for an oil and filter change only.

She called about a half hour later saying the garage was jammed up and
couldn't do it so she took it to a nearby JL instead. The slimeball
changing the oil informed her that the air filter was filthy and needed
to be changed.

I asked her to pop the trunk, tell the guy to look in there and let her
know if he saw an empty air filter box and a receipt dated a few days
previous-- and if that might change his opinion about how dirty the air
cleaner was.

I wrote a complaint letter to HQ on that one. They called, apologized
and also sent me a refund and a certificate for a free service-- which I
promptly sold on craigslist...
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Old 31 Jan 2011, 10:53 pm
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On 1/31/2011 3:47 PM, Red Butler wrote:
>>
>> LOL! That still would not prevent the dildos working at Jiffy Screw, er,
>> Lube from trying to sell you one at twice the price within 3,000 miles
>> of having changed yours.
>>

>
> That's all too true about Jiffy Lube. I usually do my own service. One
> time a few years ago, I had done completed all service items but as I
> went to crawl under the car to drain the oil, I wrenched my back out and
> couldn't complete the job. So I asked my wife to take the car over to
> the neighborhood garage for an oil and filter change only.
>
> She called about a half hour later saying the garage was jammed up and
> couldn't do it so she took it to a nearby JL instead. The slimeball
> changing the oil informed her that the air filter was filthy and needed
> to be changed.
>
> I asked her to pop the trunk, tell the guy to look in there and let her
> know if he saw an empty air filter box and a receipt dated a few days
> previous-- and if that might change his opinion about how dirty the air
> cleaner was.
>
> I wrote a complaint letter to HQ on that one. They called, apologized
> and also sent me a refund and a certificate for a free service-- which I
> promptly sold on craigslist...


Remember seeing that sign in... "Six months ago, I couldn't spell
computer! Now I fix them!"

For Jiffy Lube folks: "Last week I couldn't spell asshole, but I still
are one!"



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Old 01 Feb 2011, 06:25 am
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Dddudley <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in
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>
> Remember seeing that sign in... "Six months ago, I couldn't spell
> computer! Now I fix them!"




That's a variation of the old engineering-students' joke:
"Four years ago I couldn't even spell injuneer, and now I are one".



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