Honda Car Forum

I'm looking to purchase a 1993 Honda Del Sol SI (automatic). It has
76,000 miles on it and is generally nice & clean. The only issue is
that it seems to have difficulty downshifting while coming to a stop
(feels like from 2nd to 1st). When it downshifts at that point, the
car revs up maybe 300-400 RPMs. It feels like the transmission isn't
rev-matching properly. Of course, the salesman says this is normal.
What could be causing this? Could it be as simple as non-Honda ATF?
Transmission cable adjustment? Or worse?

I really can't afford to buy a car whose transmission may need to be
replaced (of course, how many people could afford that?). I also don't
want this to be normal, because the jerkiness is annoying. I
understand that the best thing to do would be take it to a
transmission shop or Honda dealer, but I'm not sure it's worth my
time. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Bob Smith wrote:
> I'm looking to purchase a 1993 Honda Del Sol SI (automatic). It has
> 76,000 miles on it and is generally nice & clean. The only issue is
> that it seems to have difficulty downshifting while coming to a stop
> (feels like from 2nd to 1st). When it downshifts at that point, the
> car revs up maybe 300-400 RPMs.

it's engine braking - it's programmed to do that.

> It feels like the transmission isn't
> rev-matching properly. Of course, the salesman says this is normal.
> What could be causing this? Could it be as simple as non-Honda ATF?
> Transmission cable adjustment? Or worse?
>
> I really can't afford to buy a car whose transmission may need to be
> replaced (of course, how many people could afford that?). I also don't
> want this to be normal, because the jerkiness is annoying. I
> understand that the best thing to do would be take it to a
> transmission shop or Honda dealer, but I'm not sure it's worth my
> time. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:25:29 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
wrote:

>Bob Smith wrote:
>> I'm looking to purchase a 1993 Honda Del Sol SI (automatic). It has
>> 76,000 miles on it and is generally nice & clean. The only issue is
>> that it seems to have difficulty downshifting while coming to a stop
>> (feels like from 2nd to 1st). When it downshifts at that point, the
>> car revs up maybe 300-400 RPMs.
>
>it's engine braking - it's programmed to do that.

I understand why it's downshifting when I'm slowing down (engine
braking), but I'm concerned as to why the car jerks forward and it
revs so high when it shifts from 2nd to 1st. I've only ever owned
automatics (I've driven an '86 Ford Club Wagon, '90 & '91 Accords, '94
Jeep Cherokee, '97 & '98 Civics, '99 Subaru Outback) and none of them
have "popped" down into 1st like this Del Sol is doing.

I think if this is normal, it's very annoying and would probably drive
me crazy when I'm stuck in rush hour traffic.

I would check the transmission fluid level first to see it's at the correct
level




"Bob Smith" <bob@smith.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:25:29 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Bob Smith wrote:
> >> I'm looking to purchase a 1993 Honda Del Sol SI (automatic). It has
> >> 76,000 miles on it and is generally nice & clean. The only issue is
> >> that it seems to have difficulty downshifting while coming to a stop
> >> (feels like from 2nd to 1st). When it downshifts at that point, the
> >> car revs up maybe 300-400 RPMs.
> >
> >it's engine braking - it's programmed to do that.
>
> I understand why it's downshifting when I'm slowing down (engine
> braking), but I'm concerned as to why the car jerks forward and it
> revs so high when it shifts from 2nd to 1st. I've only ever owned
> automatics (I've driven an '86 Ford Club Wagon, '90 & '91 Accords, '94
> Jeep Cherokee, '97 & '98 Civics, '99 Subaru Outback) and none of them
> have "popped" down into 1st like this Del Sol is doing.
>
> I think if this is normal, it's very annoying and would probably drive
> me crazy when I'm stuck in rush hour traffic.

Bob Smith wrote:
>
> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:25:29 -0700, jim beam <nospam@example.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Bob Smith wrote:
> >> I'm looking to purchase a 1993 Honda Del Sol SI (automatic). It has
> >> 76,000 miles on it and is generally nice & clean. The only issue is
> >> that it seems to have difficulty downshifting while coming to a stop
> >> (feels like from 2nd to 1st). When it downshifts at that point, the
> >> car revs up maybe 300-400 RPMs.
> >
> >it's engine braking - it's programmed to do that.
>
> I understand why it's downshifting when I'm slowing down (engine
> braking), but I'm concerned as to why the car jerks forward and it
> revs so high when it shifts from 2nd to 1st. I've only ever owned
> automatics (I've driven an '86 Ford Club Wagon, '90 & '91 Accords, '94
> Jeep Cherokee, '97 & '98 Civics, '99 Subaru Outback) and none of them
> have "popped" down into 1st like this Del Sol is doing.
>
> I think if this is normal, it's very annoying and would probably drive
> me crazy when I'm stuck in rush hour traffic.

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It's a given that you're going to put at least four new quarts of Z1
into it if you buy it. I'd use eight. You didnt say whether any of the
up-shifts are clunky. If it's slamming into anything else, it's probably
got non-Honda stuff it. Some (all?) hondas (with automatics) cut power
to the injectors when you're coasting to a stop. If it's got non-honda
juice in it, the downshift would be a lot more pronounced.

'Curly'

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:49:26 -0700, "chris" <fieroman@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I would check the transmission fluid level first to see it's at the correct
>level

The level seems fine and the transmission fluid smells and looks
clean. My hope is that a transmission fluid flush plus refill with
genuine Honda ATF would cure the problem and I will try to convince
the car lot to do so. A friend of mine asked a good question: what if
it's downshifting from 3rd to 1st? I imagine a car doing that would
exhibit characteristics as this Del Sol is. It almost feels like it's
downshifting at too high of speed, so the engine has to rev higher.

Thanks to everyone for their input.