Honda Car Forum

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:23:00 -0400, "A. Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA
>38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg
>with the automatic.
>
>What's "wrong" here?

Modern autos can shift smoothly and seriously fast. Especially on the
highway, this lets them shift into overdrive long before I'd do it
with a stick, since the auto can also shift back out so quickly and
smoothly. Better living through chemistry.

Even my funky Accord auto is very, very good at such things, it's only
when you want a downshift and try to get it through the gas pedal that
it sticks and stumbles.

J.

> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> > "Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
> >> "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>> jim beam wrote:
> >>> > A. Smith wrote:
> >>> > > Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA
> >>> > > 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg
> >>> > > with the automatic.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > What's "wrong" here?
> >>> >
> >>> > nothing. the system's been programmed to shift for economy - after
> >>> > all, the ecu /does/ know how much gas is being injected. pretty
> >>> > simple.
> >>>
> >>> Right! I think you'll have a hard time getting lower mileage/gallon
> >>> with a stick than an automatic on any of the new cars.
> >>
> >> One more voice: In fact, this trend has been going on for several
> >> years. Many automatics have been trumping manual transmission cars for
> >> fuel economy, back to the mid/late 1990s or so, IIRC. "Variable Valve
> >> Timing and Lift Electronic Control" (VTEC) has been a big factor in
> >> this, IIRC.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Automatics are far better than manuals all around these days.
Computerized
> > electronic controls trump human brains and muscles hands down.

2005 Civic manual transmission, for one, still beats the automatic version
in city driving:
Manual VTEC 32/37
Auto VTEC 31/38

The 2005Toyota Echo's manual still trumps the auto version in both city and
highway driving:
Manual 35/42
Auto 33/39

Source: www.fueleconomy.gov

There are of course explanations for this. The point is, it's not yet time
to generalize and say all automatic trannies trump all manual trannies, as
far as fuel mileage is concerned. They do not.

"Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:hrmXe.82$0m6.78@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net:

>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote

>> > Automatics are far better than manuals all around these days.
> Computerized
>> > electronic controls trump human brains and muscles hands down.
>
> 2005 Civic manual transmission, for one, still beats the automatic
> version in city driving:
> Manual VTEC 32/37
> Auto VTEC 31/38
>
> The 2005Toyota Echo's manual still trumps the auto version in both
> city and highway driving:
> Manual 35/42
> Auto 33/39
>
> Source: www.fueleconomy.gov
>
> There are of course explanations for this. The point is, it's not yet
> time to generalize and say all automatic trannies trump all manual
> trannies, as far as fuel mileage is concerned. They do not.
>
>
>


Well, for the most part they do, even if it's not universal (yet).



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"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in
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>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns96D3DDEF9EB23tegger@207.14.113.17...
>>
>> I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping
>> forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident.
>> Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic.
>
> This last sentence is quite the bizarre statement. Are you saying that
> you can't maintain care and control of a vehicle with an automatic
> transmission? If you're not saying that, what thought exactly are you
> trying to convey? {;^)



I mean automatics shift gears all by themselves. I hate that. That's all I
meant.

I like having complete control over the shifting, even if it means having
to wrestle with a clutch in heavy traffic.



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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
497EEA.12170017092005@nntp3.usenetserver.com:

> In article <CYWdnVhmEcQqr7HenZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@sedona.net>,
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>> To each their own.
>
> "each" is singular, therefore it's "to each his own".
>
>


That's the modern perversion of grammar caused by political correctness.
It's now /evil/ to say "him". Sexist and exclusionary, don't you know.

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In article <Xns96D5DFD3CBE26tegger@207.14.113.17>,
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> > "each" is singular, therefore it's "to each his own".
> >
> >
>
>
> That's the modern perversion of grammar caused by political correctness.
> It's now /evil/ to say "him". Sexist and exclusionary, don't you know.

yes. Interesting that they didn't demand we switch to "her".

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-8B480F.22204618092005@nntp3.usenetserver.com:

> In article <Xns96D5DFD3CBE26tegger@207.14.113.17>,
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> > "each" is singular, therefore it's "to each his own".
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> That's the modern perversion of grammar caused by political
>> correctness. It's now /evil/ to say "him". Sexist and exclusionary,
>> don't you know.
>
> yes. Interesting that they didn't demand we switch to "her".
>
>


I've seen authors use "she/her" where traditionally "he/him" would have
been the generic third-party singular term. It looks odd and is against
custom, but I guess that's better than using "they/them/their" in the
singular.

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JXStern wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:23:00 -0400, "A. Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA
>>38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg
>>with the automatic.
>>
>>What's "wrong" here?
>
>
> Modern autos can shift smoothly and seriously fast. Especially on the
> highway, this lets them shift into overdrive long before I'd do it
> with a stick, since the auto can also shift back out so quickly and
> smoothly. Better living through chemistry.
>
> Even my funky Accord auto is very, very good at such things, it's only
> when you want a downshift and try to get it through the gas pedal that
> it sticks and stumbles.

if that's happening, there's something wrong.

>
> J.
>

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns96D5DF691A09Btegger@207.14.113.17...
>
> I mean automatics shift gears all by themselves. I hate that. That's all I
> meant.

More like not having 'total control' than losing control.

> I like having complete control over the shifting, even if it means having
> to wrestle with a clutch in heavy traffic.

I used to enjoy driving manual transmission equipped cars too. The key
phrase is 'used to', as I grow older the knees don't work as well as they
once did and an automatic transmission is similar to taking Aspirin (it
relieves the pain).

Brian

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in
news:XdzXe.262471$tt5.208035@edtnps90:

>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns96D5DF691A09Btegger@207.14.113.17...
>>
>> I mean automatics shift gears all by themselves. I hate that. That's
>> all I meant.
>
> More like not having 'total control' than losing control.
>
>> I like having complete control over the shifting, even if it means
>> having to wrestle with a clutch in heavy traffic.
>
> I used to enjoy driving manual transmission equipped cars too. The key
> phrase is 'used to', as I grow older the knees don't work as well as
> they once did and an automatic transmission is similar to taking
> Aspirin (it relieves the pain).


I'm only 43, so my Aspirin days are a few years ahead.


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