Honda Car Forum

Beware that on my manual, it says there is special breakin oil that
Honda initially uses, and warns you against replacing it early as it
interferes with the breakin process.

-MVL

<mvl_groups_user@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Beware that on my manual, it says there is special breakin oil that
> Honda initially uses, and warns you against replacing it early as it
> interferes with the breakin process.
>
> -MVL

This is also for the '05 Accord? If so, could you tell me which page? When
I purchased my Accord, the salesman recommended changing it within 4k miles.
I asked him about the break-in oil and he didn't know anything about it. He
called me the next day and said he spoke w/the service department who said
there is no more breakin oil. Just additives in the initial oil. I skimmed
the manual but did not *read* everything that carefully.

Thanks,
-Dave

Do you wait for your engine to sludge up or do you blindly follow the
"Recommended" service intervals in your beloved manual? The fact is that a
number of well regarded automobile manufacturers have experienced engine
problems caused by the oil change interval given to their customers. You can
believe it or not - I guess it comes down to whether you can accept a truth
contrary to your opinion. Just check out the Toyota and Saab newsgroups.
With very few exceptions, I believe that every car owner should use the
extreme service recommendations as a guideline. More frequent oil changes
won't damage an engine. It will hurt your wallet a little, but as I said,
it's cheap insurance.


"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> doug wrote:
>> Rick
>
> do you wait for tires to wear out or do you follow some gut feeling method
> for their change schedule as well? fact is, if you're following the
> manufacturer spec, and are using a decent oil with a decent additive
> package, there's nothing to worry about. especially not for first
> service.
>
>>
>>
>> "Skipper" <rickcyr@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> newsGqSe.43330$884.1119932@news20.bellglobal.com ...
>>
>>>Hello folks;
>>>
>>>I've purchased my 05 Accord LX-G 5 speed Manual 4 cyl on May 27th, 2005.
>>>It is coming up to 4 months now, I went to the dealership to book an
>>>appointment for it's 1st service, well the guy @ the counter recommended
>>>that I wait until I reach close to 8000km or 1 year before I get that 1st
>>>service done. This seems like a long time between oil changes even with
>>>the new advanced 5W20 that Honda puts in the engines now days. I looked
>>>at the maintenance schedule and it says for the "severe" service that
>>>every 8000km or 4 moths, the oil, filter should be changed along with the
>>>recommended servicing. Should I insist on having this service done or
>>>wait?
>>>
>>>I live in Northern Ontario and sooner then later we will have our 1st
>>>winter storm, I want to be ready for it. Besides, I am going on my
>>>annual hunting trip which requires me to travel 500km one way.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you for your advice;
>>>
>>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Waste of good oil? Hardly. If you want to run oil - even Mobil 1 - for
10,000 miles in your engine, be my guest. Some day in the future, the
dealership will welcome you with open arms. The demands of driving in most
areas today, e.g., frequent starts, stop and go driving, combined with the
higher level of design, machine tolerances and assembly of modern engines,
require a much higher quality level for lubricants. You are correct that
current dino-based oils are much better today than 20 years ago, but the
demands placed upon them have significantly increased also. If you think
that a sub $2.00 per quart oil is the best option for YOUR engine, it's your
choice.

doug


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> doug wrote:
>> Rick
>>
>> Ignore the "manual" mavens and get the service done. One year/8k km is
>> just too long an interval unless you drive long distance trips almost
>> exclusively. I have a 2005 Accord EX I purchased in early May and it just
>> turned 4k miles. I'm changing the oil and filter done this week with the
>> recommended 5W-20, but I'm using Mobil 1, which I use in all of my
>> vehicles and have done so for over 20 years. My schedule is 4 months or
>> 4000 miles, whichever comes first (it's always 4 months, though). I
>> almost always do it myself to keep expenses reasonable, and I've not had
>> any type of engine component failure - ever. Cheap insurance for the
>> engine, better mileage, easier starts in cold weather, etc.
>>
>> doug
>
>
> It is a shame to waste Mobil-1 on 4 month/4,000 mile oil change intervals.
> You are discarding a lot of perfectly good motor oil way before it's time.
> If you are running a top grade synthetic like that there is no reason not
> to go the full 7,500 mile (V-6) or 10,000 mile (4) intervals Honda calls
> for in it's current vehicles. By using such an expensive oil you are
> already giving yourself a huge safety margin over the factory
> recommendations. In fact, there are plenty of good sub $2.00/quart motor
> oils on the market now which are completely up to the job.
>
> Oils, fuels and engines are all light-years better today than they were 20
> years ago.
>
> John
>

"Skipper" <rickcyr@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Hello folks;

<snipped for space>

> Thank you for your advice;

Rick, I have always changed my engine oil and filter at the 5000 km mark,
regardless of what the owners manual or dealership says. I feel that it is a
small price to pay for peace of mind. I also rotate my tires at the same
time (one appointment and no wasted time). The fact that so many people have
ignored is that you live in Northern Ontario, as far as I am concerned that
is a real good reason for changing the oil more frequently than the manual
recommends. I live in Halifax and I firmly believe that more is better when
it comes to frequency of changes.

Brian

"doug" <dougejNOSPAM@SPAMFREEhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Do you wait for your engine to sludge up or do you blindly follow the
> "Recommended" service intervals in your beloved manual? The fact is that a
> number of well regarded automobile manufacturers have experienced engine
> problems caused by the oil change interval given to their customers. You
> can believe it or not - I guess it comes down to whether you can accept a
> truth contrary to your opinion. Just check out the Toyota and Saab
> newsgroups. With very few exceptions, I believe that every car owner
> should use the extreme service recommendations as a guideline. More
> frequent oil changes won't damage an engine. It will hurt your wallet a
> little, but as I said, it's cheap insurance.

I change the cheap dino oil in my '01 V6 Accord every 7K to 7500 miles. I
now have 134,000 miles on it and it starts up everytime and runs smooth.
When should I expect this sludge problem to start? Keep in mind, my car
isn't a Toyota or Saab.

"doug" <dougejNOSPAM@SPAMFREEhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Do you wait for your engine to sludge up or do you blindly follow the
> "Recommended" service intervals in your beloved manual? The fact is that a
> number of well regarded automobile manufacturers have experienced engine
> problems caused by the oil change interval given to their customers. You
> can believe it or not - I guess it comes down to whether you can accept a
> truth contrary to your opinion. Just check out the Toyota and Saab
> newsgroups. With very few exceptions, I believe that every car owner
> should use the extreme service recommendations as a guideline. More
> frequent oil changes won't damage an engine. It will hurt your wallet a
> little, but as I said, it's cheap insurance.
>
For the horror stories and the photos to go with them, it's hard to beat
TeGGer's collection:
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/index.html
Look what can happen in just 8700 miles!
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/cleaning_sludge.html

Mike

"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "doug" <dougejNOSPAM@SPAMFREEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9ISdnSrM-pnCrYLeRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>>
>> Do you wait for your engine to sludge up or do you blindly follow the
>> "Recommended" service intervals in your beloved manual? The fact is that
>> a number of well regarded automobile manufacturers have experienced
>> engine problems caused by the oil change interval given to their
>> customers. You can believe it or not - I guess it comes down to whether
>> you can accept a truth contrary to your opinion. Just check out the
>> Toyota and Saab newsgroups. With very few exceptions, I believe that
>> every car owner should use the extreme service recommendations as a
>> guideline. More frequent oil changes won't damage an engine. It will hurt
>> your wallet a little, but as I said, it's cheap insurance.
>
> I change the cheap dino oil in my '01 V6 Accord every 7K to 7500 miles. I
> now have 134,000 miles on it and it starts up everytime and runs smooth.
> When should I expect this sludge problem to start? Keep in mind, my car
> isn't a Toyota or Saab.
>
Mine came to roost around 210K or 220K miles on our '85 turbo Volvo. The
crankcase is probably as clean as the rocker assy I can see through the oil
filler (pretty nice, even if brown) but the grunge carried in the oil mist
that circulated through the crankcase ventilation system plugged a 3/8 inch
hose solid. I never thought about cleaning such a large hose, so it went
unnoticed until I saw a large cloud of blue smoke following me down the
freeway. At the next turnoff, about five miles later, I opened the hood to
see everything on the driver's side coated with oil spewing from the
dipstick tube. I had lost 3 quarts in 5 minutes. Tearing the ventilation
system down later, I found the air/oil separator baffle box nearly plugged.
It also weighed several ounces more than the new one because of the hardened
sludge inside it.

It was that experience that convinced me to change to synthetic in the Volvo
in spite of the risk of leaks. The top guru on the alt.autos.volvo group
reported engines running synthetic don't generate those oil mist deposits,
so I took the chance. When it didn't leak I changed my daughter's Accord to
synthetic.

To each their own, but I'm a confirmed synthetic user now.

Mike

doug wrote:
> Waste of good oil? Hardly. If you want to run oil - even Mobil 1 - for
> 10,000 miles in your engine, be my guest. Some day in the future, the
> dealership will welcome you with open arms. The demands of driving in most
> areas today, e.g., frequent starts, stop and go driving, combined with the
> higher level of design, machine tolerances and assembly of modern engines,
> require a much higher quality level for lubricants. You are correct that
> current dino-based oils are much better today than 20 years ago, but the
> demands placed upon them have significantly increased also. If you think
> that a sub $2.00 per quart oil is the best option for YOUR engine, it's your
> choice.
>
> doug

ok, so which one of you is going to present the technical rationale for
this well researched decision of yours? i want numbers.

>
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:xIZSe.13925$QN4.3053@trnddc02...
>
>>doug wrote:
>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>Ignore the "manual" mavens and get the service done. One year/8k km is
>>>just too long an interval unless you drive long distance trips almost
>>>exclusively. I have a 2005 Accord EX I purchased in early May and it just
>>>turned 4k miles. I'm changing the oil and filter done this week with the
>>>recommended 5W-20, but I'm using Mobil 1, which I use in all of my
>>>vehicles and have done so for over 20 years. My schedule is 4 months or
>>>4000 miles, whichever comes first (it's always 4 months, though). I
>>>almost always do it myself to keep expenses reasonable, and I've not had
>>>any type of engine component failure - ever. Cheap insurance for the
>>>engine, better mileage, easier starts in cold weather, etc.
>>>
>>>doug
>>
>>
>>It is a shame to waste Mobil-1 on 4 month/4,000 mile oil change intervals.
>>You are discarding a lot of perfectly good motor oil way before it's time.
>>If you are running a top grade synthetic like that there is no reason not
>>to go the full 7,500 mile (V-6) or 10,000 mile (4) intervals Honda calls
>>for in it's current vehicles. By using such an expensive oil you are
>>already giving yourself a huge safety margin over the factory
>>recommendations. In fact, there are plenty of good sub $2.00/quart motor
>>oils on the market now which are completely up to the job.
>>
>>Oils, fuels and engines are all light-years better today than they were 20
>>years ago.
>>
>>John
>>
>
>
>

There is one in every group. I guess you're him.

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> doug wrote:
>> Waste of good oil? Hardly. If you want to run oil - even Mobil 1 - for
>> 10,000 miles in your engine, be my guest. Some day in the future, the
>> dealership will welcome you with open arms. The demands of driving in
>> most areas today, e.g., frequent starts, stop and go driving, combined
>> with the higher level of design, machine tolerances and assembly of
>> modern engines, require a much higher quality level for lubricants. You
>> are correct that current dino-based oils are much better today than 20
>> years ago, but the demands placed upon them have significantly increased
>> also. If you think that a sub $2.00 per quart oil is the best option for
>> YOUR engine, it's your choice.
>>
>> doug
>
> ok, so which one of you is going to present the technical rationale for
> this well researched decision of yours? i want numbers.
>
>>
>>
>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:xIZSe.13925$QN4.3053@trnddc02...
>>
>>>doug wrote:
>>>
>>>>Rick
>>>>
>>>>Ignore the "manual" mavens and get the service done. One year/8k km is
>>>>just too long an interval unless you drive long distance trips almost
>>>>exclusively. I have a 2005 Accord EX I purchased in early May and it
>>>>just turned 4k miles. I'm changing the oil and filter done this week
>>>>with the recommended 5W-20, but I'm using Mobil 1, which I use in all of
>>>>my vehicles and have done so for over 20 years. My schedule is 4 months
>>>>or 4000 miles, whichever comes first (it's always 4 months, though). I
>>>>almost always do it myself to keep expenses reasonable, and I've not had
>>>>any type of engine component failure - ever. Cheap insurance for the
>>>>engine, better mileage, easier starts in cold weather, etc.
>>>>
>>>>doug
>>>
>>>
>>>It is a shame to waste Mobil-1 on 4 month/4,000 mile oil change
>>>intervals. You are discarding a lot of perfectly good motor oil way
>>>before it's time. If you are running a top grade synthetic like that
>>>there is no reason not to go the full 7,500 mile (V-6) or 10,000 mile (4)
>>>intervals Honda calls for in it's current vehicles. By using such an
>>>expensive oil you are already giving yourself a huge safety margin over
>>>the factory recommendations. In fact, there are plenty of good sub
>>>$2.00/quart motor oils on the market now which are completely up to the
>>>job.
>>>
>>>Oils, fuels and engines are all light-years better today than they were
>>>20 years ago.
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>