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Old 05 Dec 2010, 05:35 pm
Korporate Spy
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Default Uh Oh - An Oil Thread

Greetings fellow Netizens.

Long time lurker here, first time posting.

After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005 Civic Sedan,
5 speed manual Hybrid.
Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed manual.
Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.

The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1 Synthetic.
My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their Civics?
I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and may even see an
increase in fuel mileage.

Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new Civic.
Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
When do you guys change out your oil?
Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at 5K
anyways?
Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.

Regards,

KSpy


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Old 05 Dec 2010, 09:07 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <8m2lu4F225U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Korporate Spy" <kspy@bikertrash.net> wrote:

> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005 Civic Sedan,
> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.


Why?


> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new Civic.
> Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
> When do you guys change out your oil?


When it says so.

It knows much more about how the engine has treated the oil than you do.
Engineers spent a bunch of time figuring out how the various engine and
physical parameters affect the oil, then they programmed that knowledge
into the computer.

Why would you think NOT to follow their advice?


> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at 5K
> anyways?


Why would you think NOT to follow their advice?

BTW, read up on the maintenance minder. It's in that big book written
by Manual, probably still shrink wrapped inside your glove box. It
comes for FREE with your shiny new $22,000 toy. The MM doesn't use
sensors; the MM uses engine temperature, outside temperature, engine
stops and starts, revs, and other parameters to know how the engine has
treated the oil (based on the oil that the engineers SPECIFIED--you
know, 5W-20 at whatever the current minimum grade is).

You are free to be silly and ignore the advice of the people who
designed the engine.
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Old 05 Dec 2010, 10:58 pm
jim beam
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On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
> Greetings fellow Netizens.
>
> Long time lurker here, first time posting.
>
> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005 Civic Sedan,
> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed manual.
> Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.
>
> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1 Synthetic.
> My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their Civics?
> I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and may even see an
> increase in fuel mileage.
>
> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new Civic.
> Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
> When do you guys change out your oil?
> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at 5K
> anyways?
> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.
>
> Regards,
>
> KSpy
>
>


the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as elmo
says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a lot more
about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists and witch
doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in the 1950's.


--
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Old 06 Dec 2010, 04:51 pm
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On 12/5/10 11:58 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
>> Greetings fellow Netizens.
>>
>> Long time lurker here, first time posting.
>>
>> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005 Civic
>> Sedan,
>> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
>> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
>> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed manual.
>> Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.
>>
>> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1 Synthetic.
>> My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
>> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
>> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their Civics?
>> I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and may even see an
>> increase in fuel mileage.
>>
>> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new Civic.
>> Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
>> When do you guys change out your oil?
>> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at 5K
>> anyways?
>> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> KSpy
>>
>>

>
> the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as elmo
> says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a lot more
> about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists and witch
> doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in the 1950's.
>
>



Also, the OMs for both my 07 Accord and the missus' 2010 CR-V both
clearly state NOT to do the first oil change until the MM calls for it.

It was hard for me not to do my customary first oil change in a new car
at 1000 miles...

Wonder why you ain't supposed to change it early--- maybe the factory
fills it with break-in oil like in the old days?
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Old 06 Dec 2010, 07:57 pm
Jim Yanik
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Average Joe <joe@blow.net> wrote in news:idjpdh$ivk$1@news.albasani.net:

> On 12/5/10 11:58 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
>>> Greetings fellow Netizens.
>>>
>>> Long time lurker here, first time posting.
>>>
>>> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005 Civic
>>> Sedan,
>>> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
>>> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
>>> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed
>>> manual. Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.
>>>
>>> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1
>>> Synthetic. My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
>>> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
>>> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their
>>> Civics? I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and may
>>> even see an increase in fuel mileage.
>>>
>>> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new
>>> Civic. Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
>>> When do you guys change out your oil?
>>> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at
>>> 5K anyways?
>>> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> KSpy
>>>
>>>

>>
>> the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as elmo
>> says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a lot
>> more about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists and
>> witch doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in the
>> 1950's.
>>
>>

>
>
> Also, the OMs for both my 07 Accord and the missus' 2010 CR-V both
> clearly state NOT to do the first oil change until the MM calls for
> it.
>
> It was hard for me not to do my customary first oil change in a new
> car at 1000 miles...
>
> Wonder why you ain't supposed to change it early--- maybe the factory
> fills it with break-in oil like in the old days?
>


they probably fill the oil with a lot of additives to reduce wear,and it
takes some time for the additives to plate the bearing surfaces.(SWAG)

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Old 06 Dec 2010, 10:26 pm
jim beam
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On 12/06/2010 02:51 PM, Average Joe wrote:
> On 12/5/10 11:58 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
>>> Greetings fellow Netizens.
>>>
>>> Long time lurker here, first time posting.
>>>
>>> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005 Civic
>>> Sedan,
>>> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
>>> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
>>> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed manual.
>>> Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.
>>>
>>> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1 Synthetic.
>>> My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
>>> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
>>> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their Civics?
>>> I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and may even see an
>>> increase in fuel mileage.
>>>
>>> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new Civic.
>>> Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
>>> When do you guys change out your oil?
>>> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at 5K
>>> anyways?
>>> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> KSpy
>>>
>>>

>>
>> the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as elmo
>> says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a lot more
>> about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists and witch
>> doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in the 1950's.
>>
>>

>
>
> Also, the OMs for both my 07 Accord and the missus' 2010 CR-V both
> clearly state NOT to do the first oil change until the MM calls for it.
>
> It was hard for me not to do my customary first oil change in a new car
> at 1000 miles...
>
> Wonder why you ain't supposed to change it early--- maybe the factory
> fills it with break-in oil like in the old days?


i don't know for sure. various threads here suggest they just use
ordinary oil. however, if i had to guess, i'd say keeping it in for the
full duration will help accelerate buildup of the hard carbon films that
end up on the cylinder walls. they're wear resistant and to some extent
help seal - keeping the oil /too/ clean early on would slow that
deposition down.


--
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Old 07 Dec 2010, 07:54 am
Jim Yanik
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jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:e5qdnRIEeq3rKmDRnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> On 12/06/2010 02:51 PM, Average Joe wrote:
>> On 12/5/10 11:58 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
>>>> Greetings fellow Netizens.
>>>>
>>>> Long time lurker here, first time posting.
>>>>
>>>> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005
>>>> Civic Sedan,
>>>> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
>>>> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
>>>> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed
>>>> manual. Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1
>>>> Synthetic. My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
>>>> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
>>>> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their
>>>> Civics? I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and
>>>> may even see an increase in fuel mileage.
>>>>
>>>> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new
>>>> Civic. Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
>>>> When do you guys change out your oil?
>>>> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at
>>>> 5K anyways?
>>>> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> KSpy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as
>>> elmo says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a
>>> lot more about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists
>>> and witch doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in
>>> the 1950's.
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>> Also, the OMs for both my 07 Accord and the missus' 2010 CR-V both
>> clearly state NOT to do the first oil change until the MM calls for
>> it.
>>
>> It was hard for me not to do my customary first oil change in a new
>> car at 1000 miles...
>>
>> Wonder why you ain't supposed to change it early--- maybe the factory
>> fills it with break-in oil like in the old days?

>
> i don't know for sure. various threads here suggest they just use
> ordinary oil. however, if i had to guess, i'd say keeping it in for
> the full duration will help accelerate buildup of the hard carbon
> films that end up on the cylinder walls. they're wear resistant and
> to some extent help seal - keeping the oil /too/ clean early on would
> slow that deposition down.
>
>


it's possible that right at the factory,additives are added to aid in
break-in,to plate or condition bearing surfaces.They could fill with
standard oil,and then add their additives package.
Thus the admonition to leave the oil change until the stated time/mileage
has been reached,to allow enough time for the additives to do their work.

just as engine rebuilders use special lubricants when they assemble
and first fire up a rebuilt motor.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
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Old 07 Dec 2010, 10:33 am
jim beam
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On 12/07/2010 05:54 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:e5qdnRIEeq3rKmDRnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> On 12/06/2010 02:51 PM, Average Joe wrote:
>>> On 12/5/10 11:58 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
>>>>> Greetings fellow Netizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long time lurker here, first time posting.
>>>>>
>>>>> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005
>>>>> Civic Sedan,
>>>>> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
>>>>> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
>>>>> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed
>>>>> manual. Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1
>>>>> Synthetic. My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
>>>>> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
>>>>> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their
>>>>> Civics? I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and
>>>>> may even see an increase in fuel mileage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new
>>>>> Civic. Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
>>>>> When do you guys change out your oil?
>>>>> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at
>>>>> 5K anyways?
>>>>> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> KSpy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as
>>>> elmo says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a
>>>> lot more about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists
>>>> and witch doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in
>>>> the 1950's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, the OMs for both my 07 Accord and the missus' 2010 CR-V both
>>> clearly state NOT to do the first oil change until the MM calls for
>>> it.
>>>
>>> It was hard for me not to do my customary first oil change in a new
>>> car at 1000 miles...
>>>
>>> Wonder why you ain't supposed to change it early--- maybe the factory
>>> fills it with break-in oil like in the old days?

>>
>> i don't know for sure. various threads here suggest they just use
>> ordinary oil. however, if i had to guess, i'd say keeping it in for
>> the full duration will help accelerate buildup of the hard carbon
>> films that end up on the cylinder walls. they're wear resistant and
>> to some extent help seal - keeping the oil /too/ clean early on would
>> slow that deposition down.
>>
>>

>
> it's possible that right at the factory,additives are added to aid in
> break-in,to plate or condition bearing surfaces.They could fill with
> standard oil,and then add their additives package.
> Thus the admonition to leave the oil change until the stated time/mileage
> has been reached,to allow enough time for the additives to do their work.


when i was an undergrad, one of my profs used to talk about adding 1/4
micron diamond polishing paste. 1/4 micron is well below the particle
filtration threshold of the filter [typically 10 microns or greater],
and is what's used when doing the final polish before optical microscopy
on metallurgical samples - at 1 micron, you still see scratching, but at
1/4, it all magically "disappears". i haven't used it myself, but i
think he was right that it would enhance the smoothness of the engine's
running surfaces and therefore add to longevity, without increasing
initial wear rate.

all this said though, i've only ever seen conjecture that manufacturers
use additives on first fill - never any evidence.


>
> just as engine rebuilders use special lubricants when they assemble
> and first fire up a rebuilt motor.


i have a very low opinion of most rebuilders. their standards of
"hygiene" are usually such that the abrasives they use are not
completely removed, thus things wear at a much accelerated rate after
rebuild. [typically <1/3 of a factory engine's life.] yes, they use
"special lubricants", but it's like bandaids on a broken arm - the
effect is more psychological than practical. if done right, and cleaned
sufficiently, the only lubricant needed would be engine oil.


--
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Old 07 Dec 2010, 06:26 pm
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On Dec 7, 8:33*am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 12/07/2010 05:54 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>
>
> > jim beam<m...@privacy.net> *wrote in
> >news:e5qdnRIEeq3rKmDRnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.n et:

>
> >> On 12/06/2010 02:51 PM, Average Joe wrote:
> >>> On 12/5/10 11:58 PM, jim beam wrote:
> >>>> On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
> >>>>> Greetings fellow Netizens.

>
> >>>>> Long time lurker here, first time posting.

>
> >>>>> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005
> >>>>> Civic Sedan,
> >>>>> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
> >>>>> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
> >>>>> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed
> >>>>> manual. Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.

>
> >>>>> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1
> >>>>> Synthetic. My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
> >>>>> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
> >>>>> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their
> >>>>> Civics? I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and
> >>>>> may even see an increase in fuel mileage.

>
> >>>>> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new
> >>>>> Civic. Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
> >>>>> When do you guys change out your oil?
> >>>>> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at
> >>>>> 5K anyways?
> >>>>> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.

>
> >>>>> Regards,

>
> >>>>> KSpy

>
> >>>> the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as
> >>>> elmo says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a
> >>>> lot more about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists
> >>>> and witch doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in
> >>>> the 1950's.

>
> >>> Also, the OMs for both my 07 Accord and the missus' 2010 CR-V both
> >>> clearly state NOT to do the first oil change until the MM calls for
> >>> it.

>
> >>> It was hard for me not to do my customary first oil change in a new
> >>> car at 1000 miles...

>
> >>> Wonder why you ain't supposed to change it early--- maybe the factory
> >>> fills it with break-in oil like in the old days?

>
> >> i don't know for sure. *various threads here suggest they just use
> >> ordinary oil. *however, if i had to guess, i'd say keeping it in for
> >> the full duration will help accelerate buildup of the hard carbon
> >> films that end up on the cylinder walls. *they're wear resistant and
> >> to some extent help seal - keeping the oil /too/ clean early on would
> >> slow that deposition down.

>
> > it's possible that right at the factory,additives are added to aid in
> > break-in,to plate or condition bearing surfaces.They could fill with
> > standard oil,and then add their additives package.
> > Thus the admonition to leave the oil change until the stated time/mileage
> > has been reached,to allow enough time for the additives to do their work.

>
> when i was an undergrad, one of my profs used to talk about adding 1/4
> micron diamond polishing paste. *1/4 micron is well below the particle
> filtration threshold of the filter [typically 10 microns or greater],
> and is what's used when doing the final polish before optical microscopy
> on metallurgical samples - at 1 micron, you still see scratching, but at
> 1/4, it all magically "disappears". *i haven't used it myself, but i
> think he was right that it would enhance the smoothness of the engine's
> running surfaces and therefore add to longevity, without increasing
> initial wear rate.
>
> all this said though, i've only ever seen conjecture that manufacturers
> use additives on first fill - never any evidence.
>
>
>
> > just as engine rebuilders use special lubricants when they assemble
> > and first fire up a rebuilt motor.

>
> i have a very low opinion of most rebuilders. *their standards of
> "hygiene" are usually such that the abrasives they use are not
> completely removed, thus things wear at a much accelerated rate after
> rebuild. *[typically <1/3 of a factory engine's life.] *yes, they use
> "special lubricants", but it's like bandaids on a broken arm - the
> effect is more psychological than practical. *if done right, and cleaned
> sufficiently, the only lubricant needed would be engine oil.
>
> --
> nomina rutrum rutrum


I was told, when I picked up my 2010 Honda Pilot Touring, about how to
monitor the oil, and was warned to *not* change the oil before it got
to at least 15% usage left. He said that it did have a special oil, up
until the first oil change. I waited until I got the warning, on the
little screen, and took it in. He even asked if I had the oil changed.
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Old 07 Dec 2010, 06:45 pm
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On 12/07/2010 04:26 PM, billzz wrote:
> On Dec 7, 8:33�am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 12/07/2010 05:54 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> jim beam<m...@privacy.net> �wrote in
>>> news:e5qdnRIEeq3rKmDRnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

>>
>>>> On 12/06/2010 02:51 PM, Average Joe wrote:
>>>>> On 12/5/10 11:58 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/05/2010 03:35 PM, Korporate Spy wrote:
>>>>>>> Greetings fellow Netizens.

>>
>>>>>>> Long time lurker here, first time posting.

>>
>>>>>>> After 120,000 miles, I figured it was time to trade in my 2005
>>>>>>> Civic Sedan,
>>>>>>> 5 speed manual Hybrid.
>>>>>>> Served me well, but it was time for a new vehicle.
>>>>>>> Now I've got a brand spankin' new 2011 Civic Sedan LX-S, 5 speed
>>>>>>> manual. Sweet car so far, I like the upgrade.

>>
>>>>>>> The Hybrid took 0W-20, and I changed it every 5K with Mobil 1
>>>>>>> Synthetic. My new Civic owner's manual calls for 5W-20.
>>>>>>> I have a coupla cases of 0W-20 left.
>>>>>>> Anyone here use 0W-20 instead of the recommended 5W-20 in their
>>>>>>> Civics? I recall reading somewhere it would be OK to run it, and
>>>>>>> may even see an increase in fuel mileage.

>>
>>>>>>> Also, there is no mileage based oil service interval on my new
>>>>>>> Civic. Instead its got the newfangled oil percentage readout.
>>>>>>> When do you guys change out your oil?
>>>>>>> Trust the sensors and change at a certain percentage, or change at
>>>>>>> 5K anyways?
>>>>>>> Thanks to all for any input/opinions/suggestions/knowledge.

>>
>>>>>>> Regards,

>>
>>>>>>> KSpy

>>
>>>>>> the 0w-20 will be fine. change it per the maintenance minder. as
>>>>>> elmo says, the guys that researched and programmed the thing know a
>>>>>> lot more about your engine and its oil usage than the mythologists
>>>>>> and witch doctors that still think engine oil stopped development in
>>>>>> the 1950's.

>>
>>>>> Also, the OMs for both my 07 Accord and the missus' 2010 CR-V both
>>>>> clearly state NOT to do the first oil change until the MM calls for
>>>>> it.

>>
>>>>> It was hard for me not to do my customary first oil change in a new
>>>>> car at 1000 miles...

>>
>>>>> Wonder why you ain't supposed to change it early--- maybe the factory
>>>>> fills it with break-in oil like in the old days?

>>
>>>> i don't know for sure. �various threads here suggest they just use
>>>> ordinary oil. �however, if i had to guess, i'd say keeping it in for
>>>> the full duration will help accelerate buildup of the hard carbon
>>>> films that end up on the cylinder walls. �they're wear resistant and
>>>> to some extent help seal - keeping the oil /too/ clean early on would
>>>> slow that deposition down.

>>
>>> it's possible that right at the factory,additives are added to aid in
>>> break-in,to plate or condition bearing surfaces.They could fill with
>>> standard oil,and then add their additives package.
>>> Thus the admonition to leave the oil change until the stated time/mileage
>>> has been reached,to allow enough time for the additives to do their work.

>>
>> when i was an undergrad, one of my profs used to talk about adding 1/4
>> micron diamond polishing paste. �1/4 micron is well below the particle
>> filtration threshold of the filter [typically 10 microns or greater],
>> and is what's used when doing the final polish before optical microscopy
>> on metallurgical samples - at 1 micron, you still see scratching, but at
>> 1/4, it all magically "disappears". �i haven't used it myself, but i
>> think he was right that it would enhance the smoothness of the engine's
>> running surfaces and therefore add to longevity, without increasing
>> initial wear rate.
>>
>> all this said though, i've only ever seen conjecture that manufacturers
>> use additives on first fill - never any evidence.
>>
>>
>>
>>> just as engine rebuilders use special lubricants when they assemble
>>> and first fire up a rebuilt motor.

>>
>> i have a very low opinion of most rebuilders. �their standards of
>> "hygiene" are usually such that the abrasives they use are not
>> completely removed, thus things wear at a much accelerated rate after
>> rebuild. �[typically<1/3 of a factory engine's life.] �yes, they use
>> "special lubricants", but it's like bandaids on a broken arm - the
>> effect is more psychological than practical. �if done right, and cleaned
>> sufficiently, the only lubricant needed would be engine oil.
>>
>> --
>> nomina rutrum rutrum

>
> I was told, when I picked up my 2010 Honda Pilot Touring, about how to
> monitor the oil, and was warned to *not* change the oil before it got
> to at least 15% usage left. He said that it did have a special oil, up
> until the first oil change. I waited until I got the warning, on the
> little screen, and took it in. He even asked if I had the oil changed.


understood, but that's the dealer. they may even believe it too. but
have you ever seen this "special oil" for sale? have you ever seen it
referred to in anything authoritative?

for further thought:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...ics/Myths.aspx


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