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Old 22 Aug 2005, 08:32 am
lynsam
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Default Fog Lights

Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
Of course, all others followed suit.

I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
(forgot they were on?).



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Old 22 Aug 2005, 11:54 am
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"lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
> manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing
> ploy. Of course, all others followed suit.
>
> I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
> (forgot they were on?).


Actually, I believe it is a case of those drivers being too ignorant or
stupid to turn the fog lights off.

Brian


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Old 22 Aug 2005, 12:01 pm
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:32:56 GMT, "lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

>Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
>manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing ploy.
>Of course, all others followed suit.
>
>I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
>(forgot they were on?).
>
>

In the UK, it is an offense to drive with front or rear fog lights in
operation when the visibility is greater than 100metres.

As for notbeing able to turn them off - i had a little test in my
wifes 96 town+country. The front fogs operate by pulling out the
headlight dial when it is at the dipped 9low beam) position. When the
lights are turrned off, the dial moves itself back in, thus
extinguishing the lights, and requiring them to be manually enabled
the next time.

Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
US, let alone standard) are often toggle-switched. Many's the person
i've seen tootling around in their Ford fiesta with the bracketed fog
light on, in broad daylight. (typically rear fog lights use the same
wattage bulbs as brake lights, but are docused to give light in a
20-ish degree cone directly behind the car - very much a
position/marker light.
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 04:23 pm
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flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
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>
> Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
> US, let alone standard)




Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
since about the early '90s, IIRC.

An interesting snippet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps

The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
necessary here.




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Old 22 Aug 2005, 04:39 pm
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TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
> maybe once or twice in their entire lives.



Unless there are Porsche enthusiasts nearby, many of whom fit a Bosch
rear fog below the rear bumper, driver's side, as a "standard tweak".

Then there are the Merc drivers who are oblivious to the rear fog in the
tail lamp cluster being illuminated, day in, day out, day and night.
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 04:56 pm
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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>
> Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
> since about the early '90s, IIRC.
>
> An interesting snippet:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps
>
> The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
> maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
> necessary here.


Here in Nova Scotia it's fairly common to see vehicles with the rear fog
lights. Or the brighter than usual rear tailight on the side close to the
centre line of the roadway.

Brian


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Old 22 Aug 2005, 05:08 pm
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On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

>flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
>news:ht0kg1ttomb1745323c9r3m9n99v5r778i@4ax.com :
>
>>
>> Rear fog lights, however (which don't seem to even be an option in the
>> US, let alone standard)

>
>
>
>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>since about the early '90s, IIRC.


Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.

>
>An interesting snippet:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_signal#Rear_Fog_Lamps


Interesting page. SEems to ahve been written by an american though who
has little experiance of uk laws and practices. A clear example is
"For this reason, many European vehicles imported to the United States
have their rear fog lamps wired as brake lamps" Brake and fog lights
typically use the same power bulbs, yes, but a brake light is not a
focused beam, a fog light is, directed almost totally aft. They're
designed to be intentionally bright from behind. Not good to dazzle
with an intense pseudo brake light.

>
>The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
>maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
>necessary here.


ACtually, i have had more severe lack of visibility here in georgia in
the last 3 months. One time, 5 weeks ago, visibility was so bad, i
could barely see the lines even with my head out the window,5 feet in
front of the vehicle. I was crawling at 10mph that night, and very
wet. Was lucky it was my old caravan in fact, the length of the bonnet
compared with the seat height, and the distance to the windscreen in
any other vehicle i have is much worse.


, than i've had in the last 7 years in the UK. Don't get me started
about the last time i was in
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 05:57 pm
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I have fog lights on my car and I never use it. IMO, the Daytime Running
Lights are more important than the fog lights.



"lynsam" <lynsam@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Are fog lights really a necessity? I feel that, some time ago, a
> manufacturer added fog lamps to its line as a cost-effective marketing

ploy.
> Of course, all others followed suit.
>
> I have often seen drivers operating fog lights when totally unwarranted
> (forgot they were on?).
>
>
>



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Old 22 Aug 2005, 06:34 pm
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> The vast majority of North American drivers will experience UK-style fog
> maybe once or twice in their entire lives. Rear fogs are not really
> necessary here.
>

When I was in the San Francisco Bay area I encountered heavy fog a lot.
Walking to school one morning I could barely see my feet and could only make
out the path a foot or two ahead - less than my child's stride so I had to
take short steps. As an adult I sat out fog that got thick enough I could
not see the end of my hood.

Even here in northern Arizona fog is an occasional problem. One night I
drove down Bill Williams mountain with my headlights on only because I
lacked fog lights (I had a terrific view of the fog!) I idled in 4WD
compound low so I could feel if I got a wheel off the edge or hit the
mountainside without really damaging anything. Fog lights are the only
option I am requesting on my new truck.

Mike


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Old 22 Aug 2005, 07:31 pm
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flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
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> On 22 Aug 2005 21:23:29 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>


>>Manufacturers have been legally required to install rear fogs in the UK
>>since about the early '90s, IIRC.

>
> Way before that. early 80s AFAIK.mid at the latest.




You're very close, and I was way off. I dug out a reference book to check
for sure.

Rear fog lights in the UK have been madatory new-car fitment from
April 1, 1980. You only need one of them, that being on the driver's side.
So if you have two, only the driver's side one is subject to the UK MoT.

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