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Old 21 Aug 2005, 10:38 am
bltravis
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Default E85 - oops!

We own a new 2005 Odyssey van. We accidentally filled the tank with E85
(85% ethanol) last night. Well, not really accidentally. We thought we
read that the engine could use it when we were shopping for the car, but
realize we must have been mistaken. We only ran 18 miles on it, and it ran
fine, but we don't want to risk the engine and don't want to void the
warranty.

Questions:

After 18 miles, do you think any damage could have already been done?

We are going to have a local mechanic tow it and siphen out the gas.
Assuming there is no permanent damage is there any way the dealer would know
we used it and thus void our warranty?

Help, we are worried?

LT



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Old 21 Aug 2005, 11:05 am
Michael Pardee
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"bltravis" <bltravis@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> We own a new 2005 Odyssey van. We accidentally filled the tank with E85
> (85% ethanol) last night. Well, not really accidentally. We thought we
> read that the engine could use it when we were shopping for the car, but
> realize we must have been mistaken. We only ran 18 miles on it, and it
> ran
> fine, but we don't want to risk the engine and don't want to void the
> warranty.
>
> Questions:
>
> After 18 miles, do you think any damage could have already been done?
>
> We are going to have a local mechanic tow it and siphen out the gas.
> Assuming there is no permanent damage is there any way the dealer would
> know
> we used it and thus void our warranty?
>
> Help, we are worried?
>
> LT
>

I wouldn't worry too much. The engine itself should be fine. The biggest
issues with E-85 involve the fuel system - synthetic parts that are made for
gasoline may have limited tolerance for that level of ethanol, but since 15%
ethanol is common (and I believe the Oddy allows that) that isn't a big
issue. If you ran E-85 over a period of a month I'd have more concerns.

BTW - the "check engine" light may come on when you switch back to normal
gasoline, as a result of the ECU getting frustrated with the changes in fuel
characteristics (the usual trouble code text is "fuel trim"). Either have
the mechanic clear the code or drive a week or so until the light goes out
on its own... although that second method may be more wear and tear on your
nerves than you want to go through at the moment!

Mike


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Old 21 Aug 2005, 01:59 pm
'Curly Q. Links'
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bltravis wrote:
>
> We own a new 2005 Odyssey van. We accidentally filled the tank with E85
> (85% ethanol) last night. Well, not really accidentally. We thought we
> read that the engine could use it when we were shopping for the car, but
> realize we must have been mistaken. We only ran 18 miles on it, and it ran
> fine, but we don't want to risk the engine and don't want to void the
> warranty.
>
> Questions:
>
> After 18 miles, do you think any damage could have already been done?
>
> We are going to have a local mechanic tow it and siphen out the gas.
> Assuming there is no permanent damage is there any way the dealer would know
> we used it and thus void our warranty?
>
> Help, we are worried?
>
> LT


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Your manual says you can use up to x% ethanol, right? What does it say?

My CR-V will take up to 10%, so if you top up the tank again with
'normal' gas, and then use up 1/4 tank and refill again, you'll be OK.
Read the manual about 'topping up', and don't overdo it, since you can
cause other problems, and a fire hazzard. Keep the Ownaer's manual in
the bathroom, so you can all study it.

'Curly'
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 04:31 am
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Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> I wouldn't worry too much. The engine itself should be fine. The biggest
> issues with E-85 involve the fuel system - synthetic parts that are made
> for gasoline may have limited tolerance for that level of ethanol, but
> since 15% ethanol is common (and I believe the Oddy allows that) that
> isn't a big issue. If you ran E-85 over a period of a month I'd have more
> concerns.
>
> BTW - the "check engine" light may come on when you switch back to normal
> gasoline, as a result of the ECU getting frustrated with the changes in
> fuel characteristics (the usual trouble code text is "fuel trim"). Either
> have the mechanic clear the code or drive a week or so until the light
> goes out on its own... although that second method may be more wear and
> tear on your nerves than you want to go through at the moment!
>
> Mike


I agree, have the E85 drained or siphoned off and then have the ECU reset.

Eric
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 07:24 am
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Thanks, guys, for putting our minds at ease, and for sparing the time to
give us the advice. We will have have the mechanic siphon the tank and
reset the code if needed

LT


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Old 22 Aug 2005, 11:48 am
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Eric wrote:

> I agree, have the E85 drained or siphoned off and then have the ECU reset.
>
> Eric


===============================

Eric, you're missing the point . . . .

E85 is 85% GASOLINE, and 15% Ethanol. The OP is totally confused.
Canadians use Gasohol a lot, but it's not quite as high as 15%, I'm
sure. It's not like it's going to be in the system for a year. Diluting
it ONCE would get it below 10%.

Question arises again . . .What does the MANUAL say???

'Curly'
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 06:27 pm
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"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote in message
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> Eric wrote:
>
>> I agree, have the E85 drained or siphoned off and then have the ECU
>> reset.
>>
>> Eric

>
> ===============================
>
> Eric, you're missing the point . . . .
>
> E85 is 85% GASOLINE, and 15% Ethanol.


Nope. Other way around.
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/e85.php


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Old 22 Aug 2005, 06:37 pm
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"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote in message
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> Eric, you're missing the point . . . .
>
> E85 is 85% GASOLINE, and 15% Ethanol.


I think it's the other way around: http://www.ethanol.org/

Mike


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Old 22 Aug 2005, 06:39 pm
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"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote in message
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> E85 is 85% GASOLINE, and 15% Ethanol.


My link missed by a bit: http://www.ethanol.org/e85.html is more to the
point.

Mike <8^P


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Old 22 Aug 2005, 11:32 pm
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Steve Bigelow wrote:
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> "'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote in message
> news:430A01DC.9452000@_interbaun.com...
> > Eric wrote:
> >
> >> I agree, have the E85 drained or siphoned off and then have the ECU
> >> reset.
> >>
> >> Eric

> >
> > ===============================
> >
> > Eric, you're missing the point . . . .
> >
> > E85 is 85% GASOLINE, and 15% Ethanol.

>
> Nope. Other way around.
> http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/e85.php


==============================

Bad mistake on my part . . Terribly sorry. :-(

Thanks for the link.

'Curly'
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