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Old 16 Aug 2005, 10:34 pm
IanEgon007
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Default 1993 Accord Timing

I just had my timing belt, seals water pump etc replaced on my 93 accord (I was leaking like crazy from one of those seals) and the first time I got it back I had practically no power from about 0-30MPH. I took it back to the shop the next day and they said that the timing belt was off by a tooth so they fixed it. Now the car has power at low speeds, but it's still not as quick as it was before I took it in. I also notice that my car has a rather low/deep hum to it now 9raher annoying). Almost like if I had a hole in my exhaust or if I was running a non stock muffler.

I personally don’t think they did a 100% perfect job, especially with that low humming noise going on. I was thinking about taking it some place else to get a second opinion, but I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions as to what (if anything) could have been done wrong while replacing the belt.


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Old 16 Aug 2005, 10:48 pm
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"IanEgon007" <ianegon007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I just had my timing belt, seals water pump etc replaced on my 93 accord (I
>was leaking like crazy from one of those seals) and the first time I got it
>back I had practically no power from about 0-30MPH. I took it back to the
>shop the next day and they said that the timing belt was off by a tooth so
>they fixed it. Now the car has power at low speeds, but it's still not as
>quick as it was before I took it in. I also notice that my car has a rather
>low/deep hum to it now 9raher annoying). Almost like if I had a hole in my
>exhaust or if I was running a non stock muffler.
>
> I personally don't think they did a 100% perfect job, especially with that
> low humming noise going on. I was thinking about taking it some place else
> to get a second opinion, but I was wondering if anybody had any
> suggestions as to what (if anything) could have been done wrong while
> replacing the belt.
>
>
> Thanks.
>

The timing belt was put back on one tooth off. It is *way* easier to get it
one tooth off than correct. That will throw the ignition timing off, and now
they've twisted the distributor to compensate for the booboo - but the valve
timing is still off. The shop needs to get the belt on correctly and then
reset the ignition timing. There is no other explanation for the ignition
timing being off after a timing belt change.

Mike


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Old 16 Aug 2005, 11:13 pm
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "IanEgon007" <ianegon007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sfyMe.19701$Yx1.17025@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ...
> >I just had my timing belt, seals water pump etc replaced on my 93 accord (I
> >was leaking like crazy from one of those seals) and the first time I got it
> >back I had practically no power from about 0-30MPH. I took it back to the
> >shop the next day and they said that the timing belt was off by a tooth so
> >they fixed it. Now the car has power at low speeds, but it's still not as
> >quick as it was before I took it in. I also notice that my car has a rather
> >low/deep hum to it now 9raher annoying). Almost like if I had a hole in my
> >exhaust or if I was running a non stock muffler.
> >
> > I personally don't think they did a 100% perfect job, especially with that
> > low humming noise going on. I was thinking about taking it some place else
> > to get a second opinion, but I was wondering if anybody had any
> > suggestions as to what (if anything) could have been done wrong while
> > replacing the belt.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >

> The timing belt was put back on one tooth off. It is *way* easier to get it
> one tooth off than correct. That will throw the ignition timing off, and now
> they've twisted the distributor to compensate for the booboo - but the valve
> timing is still off. The shop needs to get the belt on correctly and then
> reset the ignition timing. There is no other explanation for the ignition
> timing being off after a timing belt change.
>
> Mike




Mike,

Are you saying that the humming noise is caused by the ignition timing
being off and that they may have just been too lazy to fix it right the
second time? If it wasn't dark, I'd check to see if my distributor has
been played with.

Thanks,

Ian

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Old 17 Aug 2005, 02:11 am
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Ianegon007 wrote:
>
> Michael Pardee wrote:
> > "IanEgon007" <ianegon007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:sfyMe.19701$Yx1.17025@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ...
> > >I just had my timing belt, seals water pump etc replaced on my 93 accord (I
> > >was leaking like crazy from one of those seals) and the first time I got it
> > >back I had practically no power from about 0-30MPH. I took it back to the
> > >shop the next day and they said that the timing belt was off by a tooth so
> > >they fixed it. Now the car has power at low speeds, but it's still not as
> > >quick as it was before I took it in. I also notice that my car has a rather
> > >low/deep hum to it now 9raher annoying). Almost like if I had a hole in my
> > >exhaust or if I was running a non stock muffler.
> > >
> > > I personally don't think they did a 100% perfect job, especially with that
> > > low humming noise going on. I was thinking about taking it some place else
> > > to get a second opinion, but I was wondering if anybody had any
> > > suggestions as to what (if anything) could have been done wrong while
> > > replacing the belt.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >

> > The timing belt was put back on one tooth off. It is *way* easier to get it
> > one tooth off than correct. That will throw the ignition timing off, and now
> > they've twisted the distributor to compensate for the booboo - but the valve
> > timing is still off. The shop needs to get the belt on correctly and then
> > reset the ignition timing. There is no other explanation for the ignition
> > timing being off after a timing belt change.
> >
> > Mike

>
> Mike,
>
> Are you saying that the humming noise is caused by the ignition timing
> being off and that they may have just been too lazy to fix it right the
> second time? If it wasn't dark, I'd check to see if my distributor has
> been played with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ian


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The new noise is the timing belt 'singing'. It's too tight. The
distributor should look like it is in the middle of it's 'range' of
adjustment. If it's all the way to the left or right, Michael is exactly
right.

'Curly'
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Old 17 Aug 2005, 06:50 am
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"Ianegon007" <ianegon007@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Are you saying that the humming noise is caused by the ignition timing
> being off



That low humming says the timing belt is on way too tight!

That shop that did the work is incompetent.

You'd better get this fixed ASAP. A too-tight belt will fail very quickly.


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Old 17 Aug 2005, 08:20 pm
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Default Re: 1993 Accord Timing

Thanks for all the replies.

I looked at my distributor and it does look like it was adjusted (Nice
shiny allumimun where the bolts were)

I called the shop I took it to and they said that they will have a
diffrent mechanic look at it. I told them that I did not want the same
mechanic who worked on it the last two times to be the one to fix it.

Hopefully third time is the charm. If not, I'm not sure what I will do.
Leaving my car in a shop for 3 days for a job that should take a
competent mechainc only a couple of hours is getting old.

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Old 17 Aug 2005, 10:17 pm
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Default Re: 1993 Accord Timing

By the way,

If they do happen to do it right this time, will that mean that they
will also move my distributor back to mid way? How will they properly
reset the ignition timing?

Thanks,

Ian

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Old 18 Aug 2005, 10:32 am
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In article <1124335041.587842.132420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>,
"Ianegon007" <ianegon007@hotmail.com> wrote:

> By the way,
>
> If they do happen to do it right this time, will that mean that they
> will also move my distributor back to mid way? How will they properly
> reset the ignition timing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ian


Ian,
Have you considered buying a timing light and setting the timing. It's
really easy.
Jason

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Old 18 Aug 2005, 05:56 pm
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1124335041.587842.132420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>,
> "Ianegon007" <ianegon007@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way,
>>
>> If they do happen to do it right this time, will that mean that they
>> will also move my distributor back to mid way? How will they properly
>> reset the ignition timing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ian

>
> Ian,
> Have you considered buying a timing light and setting the timing. It's
> really easy.
> Jason
>

The concern is that the timing was messed with to band-aid the timing belt
fault. The mechanic really should have known he messed up when he found the
timing off... or maybe he did and hoped you wouldn't notice :-( It's hard
to get the belt on right without moving the crankshaft a bit because the
valve springs fight you, but it's easy to see if it went on right. Between
that and the overtensioning, the mechanic really screwed the pooch on that
one.

Mike

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