Honda Car Forum

Jim Yanik wrote:
> John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to
>> come from?
>
> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.

And where is the "safe and clean" nuclear waste supposed to go, please?
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/ph...hys/waste.html - "But
one has to plan storage and protection for the public on a time-scale of
thousands of years."

On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>
>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>
>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet cell
>> lead-acid batteries would do?
>
>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.

ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
hydrogen over that.

>
>>
>> Also, where exactly is the electricity for these things supposed to come
>> from?
>
>Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
>> My home electric bill in the summer here in Northern California
>> already is getting close to $500/month when the heat waves hit, and that
>> is with solar energy taking care of all of our domestic hot water.
>>
>> I really do not want to buy expensive electricity from PG&E for my
>> automobiles as well!
>
>It would be a lot cheaper than buying gasoline.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:23:05 GMT, Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
>Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?

Yes, well, waste, yes, problem, not so much. there's Sellafield for
one. Someone was also proposing some experiments a year or two ago
with a deveice called a 'proton transmutation accelerator' or similar.
Couldn't get fnding though to develop it into a working technology.

Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:JpoMe.1682$Z%6.929@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com :

>> Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>
> Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?
>

Yes,one more part that has been stifled and progress halted by the anti-
nuke idiots.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
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> On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:
>
>>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>>
>>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>>
>>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet
>>> cell lead-acid batteries would do?
>>
>>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.
>
> ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
> hydrogen over that.

Why?
Please explain exactly what Lithium-ion batteries will do in a crash.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On 17 Aug 2005 00:18:54 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:

>flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in
>news:i964g1ldlo539607tp90sbo18kput5n5ps@4ax.com :
>
>> On 16 Aug 2005 14:09:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:
>>
>>>John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:qTdMe.6594$1b5.4941@trnddc05:
>>>
>>>> Have any of these hackers crash tested their vehicles?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what a rear end collision into a rear end filled with wet
>>>> cell lead-acid batteries would do?
>>>
>>>The guy in the article only used LA cells for initial tests;he then
>>>switched to NiMH. Others are using Li-ion cells.
>>
>> ok, crash test someone using lithium batteries. I'll personally take
>> hydrogen over that.
>
>Why?
>Please explain exactly what Lithium-ion batteries will do in a crash.

As has been well documented with Rc aircraft and especialy boats...

When puntured, they have a tendency to catch fire, or explode. reason
is simple - LITHIUM.
Lithium + water --> lithium hydroxide + hydrogen + ENERGY

Admitedly, if you put a piece of lithium in water, it just melts and
fizzes, but its also at or below room temp - a battery isn't. Also,
unlike potassium, and sometimes sodium, it doesn't get hot enough ina
nd of itself to make the hydrogen produced light. HOWEVER batterys do
get warm, there's lots of electrical sparts, and metal on metal. At
least a hydrogen tank is design to rupture safe, and, being a gas,
will dissipate the longer it goes without a spark. no so with lithium
- it constantly generates more hydrogen (moisture in the air,
donchaknow).

Anyway, thats just what i've read in the dangers of the battery type
in crash impacts. YMMV

>>>Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>>
>>Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?
>
> Yes,one more part that has been stifled and progress halted
> by the anti-nuke idiots.

Would you like a nuclear waste dump in your town?

Would you recommend living near a nuclear waste dump
to your child, nephew, pregant relative?

If you answer yes to these then more power to you but
you'll be the first person I've met that does.

Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:49AMe.2135$Z%6.1249@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> >>>Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
> >>
> >>Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?
> >
> > Yes,one more part that has been stifled and progress halted
> > by the anti-nuke idiots.
>
> Would you like a nuclear waste dump in your town?
>
> Would you recommend living near a nuclear waste dump
> to your child, nephew, pregant relative?
>
> If you answer yes to these then more power to you but
> you'll be the first person I've met that does.

If the stuff is properly immobilized and shielded, why not?

"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:49AMe.2135$Z%6.1249@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
>>>>Safe,clean nuclear power plants. Time to build more of them.
>>>
>>>Ever heard of the nuclear waste problem?
>>
>> Yes,one more part that has been stifled and progress halted by the
>> anti-nuke idiots.
>
> Would you like a nuclear waste dump in your town?
>
> Would you recommend living near a nuclear waste dump
> to your child, nephew, pregant relative?
>
> If you answer yes to these then more power to you but
> you'll be the first person I've met that does.

The irony is that there are many nuclear waste dumps across the nation right
now because of this attitude. Rather than sensibly storing the waste where
it will be less likely to be a problem, we have it distributed all over the
country. The fear of nuclear waste baffles me. You can easily detect it
and deal with it. The effects are known and understood. Many of the same
people who are so afraid of nuclear energy and waste don't realize that they
have much more hazardous products nearby that they will never even know
about. I grew up in the midst of chemical plants in Louisiana and would
trade a nuclear plant or storage facility for that in a second. You can
detect radiation easily. Do you know what you are breathing as a result of
the nearby plants and even the chemicals in use in your home? The relative
environmental impact of nuclear energy compared to even the cleanest of
fossil fuel generation or petro-chemical production is so small that I have
to wonder about the intelligence of those who are so petrified by it. Geez,
even many of the products that are produced and used everyday in the
chemical industry are more dangerous and impact more people than nuclear
waste.

Leonard

"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message
news:ep95g15na5mcvfm78qgnng4vlv44sm8cls@4ax.com...
>>Please explain exactly what Lithium-ion batteries will do in a crash.
>
> As has been well documented with Rc aircraft and especialy boats...
>
> When puntured, they have a tendency to catch fire, or explode. reason
> is simple - LITHIUM.
> Lithium + water --> lithium hydroxide + hydrogen + ENERGY

How does that compare to a thin steel can full of 20 gallons of gasoline?