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The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.

Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
and great product!

<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off.

And this is important to the Honda new group because ...?

Stewart DIBBS

Well Hondas are priced high due to their perceived quality so if gm has
closed the gap Honda has new competition!! Important to the group
because if you're looking for a car, might want to look at gm

Stewart DIBBS wrote:
> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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>>The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off.
>
>
> And this is important to the Honda new group because ...?
>
> Stewart DIBBS
>
>

<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all
> other makes,


I'm sure you meant to say "reliability", but could you please reveal the
source of this conclusion. What study or what survey says so?

Bob




the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>

"sam" <justwantsmore@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well Hondas are priced high due to their perceived quality so if gm has
> closed the gap Honda has new competition!! Important to the group because
> if you're looking for a car, might want to look at gm

Owning a GM is okay if you have a good deal with the local tow truck
operation. I speak from experience {;^(

But I'm much better now, I've been a happy and satisfied Honda owner since
1979.

Brian

Well you won't get reliability in a GM piece of shit, what have you been
smoking?

Honda and Toyota haven't has to resort to employe pricing, because there
sales are not in the toilet like the big 3.

Tom


<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>

If your looking for a headache look at a GM product!

Tom


"sam" <justwantsmore@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well Hondas are priced high due to their perceived quality so if gm has
> closed the gap Honda has new competition!! Important to the group because
> if you're looking for a car, might want to look at gm
>
> Stewart DIBBS wrote:
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off.
>>
>>
>> And this is important to the Honda new group because ...?
>>
>> Stewart DIBBS

what studys show that JUST the reliablity is making GM increase in sales?
Have you looked on the side of the road lately? Theres GM's reliability!

<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>

hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
> The many changes made by GM appear to be paying off. While Buick and
> Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over all other makes, the
> recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
> market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
> increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
> on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
> is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>
> Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
> Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
> and great product!
>


Interesting. We own a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2002 Olds Silhoette.
Both have spent more time in the shop than I would expect to see. The
Honda just got a new transmission under warranty while the Olds is
presently having the A/C condensor replaced at a cost of $900.

The Honda has gone through brake pads much faster than one would expect
and needed new rotors sooner than any other car I have ever owned.

My personal experience is that GM has been improving quality in recent
years while Honda has been cutting corners. The gap is not what it used
to be.

Johnj

"Shawn Taylor" <accordpower99@cox.net> wrote in message
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> what studys show that JUST the reliablity is making GM increase in sales?
> Have you looked on the side of the road lately? Theres GM's reliability!

That shows that they have added the reliability that their products will
break down more. {;^)

Brian