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Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs. You most not know
Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
what G.M.C. stands for,
Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe

<hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey

Most JD Power Surveys cover the first 6 months of ownership only. Can you
tell us more details of this one or supply a link.


Bob




>
> rjdriver wrote:
>> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility over
>> > all
>> > other makes,
>>
>>
>> I'm sure you meant to say "reliability", but could you please reveal the
>> source of this conclusion. What study or what survey says so?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> Sure, the source of this information is the 2005 JD Powers Survey and
> yes, I meant 'reliability'. Thanks!
>
>>
>>
>>
>> the
>> > recent incentives have pushed sales up 41 %. GM has increased its
>> > market share from 23% last year to 31% this year. This is expected to
>> > increase, as GM drops the incentive programs in favor of lower prices
>> > on most models. GM sales in Europe have risen 28% over 2004, while it
>> > is closing in on Volkswagen, which is the number one seller in China.
>> >
>> > Among the losers is Toyota, which is taken the brunt of the General
>> > Motors offensive. It is hard to beat great prices, great reliability
>> > and great product!
>> >
>

> <hunkman7@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1122854121.042620.110020@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> .... While Buick and Cadillac models are now tops in relibility

Hmmm, relibility. So GMs are now relible. Sounds like a subject for a Monty
Python script ... "something about my car you find relible..."

I've always though that the JD Powers Initial Quality award is a bit
specious. All new cars are pretty nice (or is that nice and pretty?) for the
first 6 months. A far better measure is how the car has lasted after 2 years
or so.

Stewart DIBBS

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<11df0577788830832062ce2098fda164@localhost.talkab outautos.com>, "zonie"
<sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote:

> Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs. You most not know
> Honda's too well. I'm most everybody on here has owned GM cars in the
> past. Thats why we have Honda's now. I have worked in a Chevy garage for
> 33 years. I see GM at its best and worst. Honda is having a bit af trouble
> with tranmissions at present. Right now in our shop in Phoenix we have 6
> Malibu's and Impala's all waiting for new engines. 3.5 V-6 and we have
> already done 4 others, and we are just one dealer. Imagine how mant other
> engines are failing nationwide. Crankshaft key breaks and pistons hit
> valves. All have less than 3000 miles , owners not happy. Any body can
> make errors when building cars. But GM is the master at it. Dont forget
> what G.M.C. stands for,
> Garage Mechanics Companion. hehehe

Hello,
Great post. I had lots of trouble out of Chevy Monza. That was my last
one. I only have two questions for those people that love or own a GM
vehicle. If GM truly believes their vehicles are great, why do they place
Honda engines in at least one of the Saturn models? Don't they have any
confidence in the engines made by GM?
Jason

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hunkman7@excite.com wrote:
> With recent transmission problems Honda has some catching up to do.
> Besides, they are now also starting to fall behind on technology.
> Rear drum brakes on the 2005 Accord? And the interior is in bad need
> of updating. Tsk, tsk.

Funny, my 2004 has disc in the back....

>>that hack job built by Isuzu and sold by Honda. Isuzu called their
version to Rodeo. I can not remember the Honda name.<<

That would be the Passport. I had one, and in over 105,000 miles it was
completely trouble-free. When I no longer needed an SUV for work, I got rid
of it, because it got only 16 mpg (mostly highway driving) on a good day.

zonie wrote:
> Rear drums are only on the DX or LX, EX gets discs.

LX V6 also has disks in back

"D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both
the
> new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
> miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
> 150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
> vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to
go
> only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
> longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
> find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all
the
> rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
> crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
> 150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape
costs
> 18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
> don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
> show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the HON/TOY
> is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of the
> GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of HON/TOY.
> But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this 50,000
> durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).


I don't know, I think it's the unions that are killing the big three. It
costs GM and Ford too much to make a piece of shit here in the States.

It's unions, management, better product from Japan and the reliance on huge
temporary profits from gas hogs.

"routebeer" <d@aylor.com> wrote in message
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> "D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P5adnR9ogaZTxHLfRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>> The market sets car prices, not the manufacturers. That being said, both
> the
>> new and the used car market prices HON/TOY products to last about 150,000
>> miles. Sure, many go much longer and still have some residual worth at
>> 150,000 miles. At 150,000 miles, they become "might last longer"
>> vehicles...but not a great bet. But for GM/FORD the market prices them to
> go
>> only to 100,000 miles before it's worth merely a residual "might last
>> longer" value. That's why a loaded CR-V can command $23,000 while you can
>> find a similar Ford Escape that they can only get $18,000 for (after all
> the
>> rebate shenanigans). The market is recognizing that the Escape approaches
>> crap at 100,000 miles while the CR-V probably won't approach crap until
>> 150,000 miles. The HON/TOY is actually cheaper to own. Here the 'Scape
> costs
>> 18 cents/mile while the CR-V costs 15 cents/mile. And while most people
>> don't own a car from showroom to junkyard, this same pricing pattern will
>> show up at resale time so, again, even for the 2-3 year owner, the
>> HON/TOY
>> is cheaper than the GM/FORD to own. (I will say that with the depth of
>> the
>> GM/FORD rebates today, their cost per mile is approaching that of
>> HON/TOY.
>> But, of course, cutting prices enough to compensate people for this
>> 50,000
>> durability gap is killing both GM and FORD in the process).
>
>
> I don't know, I think it's the unions that are killing the big three. It
> costs GM and Ford too much to make a piece of shit here in the States.
>
>

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Great post. I had lots of trouble out of Chevy Monza. That was my last
> one.

A....._Monza_?
What model year was that, "Jason"?