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Old 16 Oct 2010, 06:43 pm
Bob
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Hello,

Anyone have any opinions regarding the Nokian WR G2 vs the Michelin
Harmony all-weather tires ?

Live in New England, so snow/ice capability is important.

Willing to live with the (only) 50K thread life/warr. on the Nokians, if
they
are "truly" better in snow and ice, and still decent for summer driving ?

Thanks,
B.
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Old 16 Oct 2010, 09:19 pm
Brian Smith
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On 10/16/2010 8:43 PM, Bob wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Anyone have any opinions regarding the Nokian WR G2 vs the Michelin
> Harmony all-weather tires ?
>
> Live in New England, so snow/ice capability is important.
>
> Willing to live with the (only) 50K thread life/warr. on the Nokians, if
> they
> are "truly" better in snow and ice, and still decent for summer driving ?
>
> Thanks,
> B.


I use Harmony tires on my accord for summer and X-Ice2 for winter
driving here in Nova Scotia. I know our winters aren't as bad as what
you have in New England, but the X-Ice2 tires are great in snow and
freezing rain at highway speeds and around town, as long as the idiots
that are too stupid to put winter tires on their vehicles are not in the
way.
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Old 17 Oct 2010, 10:13 am
Barney Oldfield
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In article <i9dmg8$gji$1@news.datemas.de>,
Brian Smith <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> On 10/16/2010 8:43 PM, Bob wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Anyone have any opinions regarding the Nokian WR G2 vs the Michelin
> > Harmony all-weather tires ?
> >
> > Live in New England, so snow/ice capability is important.
> >
> > Willing to live with the (only) 50K thread life/warr. on the Nokians, if
> > they
> > are "truly" better in snow and ice, and still decent for summer driving ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > B.

>
> I use Harmony tires on my accord for summer and X-Ice2 for winter
> driving here in Nova Scotia. I know our winters aren't as bad as what
> you have in New England, but the X-Ice2 tires are great in snow and
> freezing rain at highway speeds and around town, as long as the idiots
> that are too stupid to put winter tires on their vehicles are not in the
> way.


If you drive at "highway speeds" in "snow and a freezing rain" only a
fool would intentionally be in your way, or anywhere near you.
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Old 17 Oct 2010, 12:47 pm
Brian Smith
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On 10/17/2010 12:13 PM, Barney Oldfield wrote:
>
> If you drive at "highway speeds" in "snow and a freezing rain" only a
> fool would intentionally be in your way, or anywhere near you.


That's true, fools often drive around forty to fifty kilometres an hour
in one hundred and ten kilometre an hour zones in rain, snow and
freezing rain, when there is no reason to be such a hazard.
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Old 17 Oct 2010, 09:38 pm
jim beam
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On 10/17/2010 10:47 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
> On 10/17/2010 12:13 PM, Barney Oldfield wrote:
>>
>> If you drive at "highway speeds" in "snow and a freezing rain" only a
>> fool would intentionally be in your way, or anywhere near you.

>
> That's true, fools often drive around forty to fifty kilometres an hour
> in one hundred and ten kilometre an hour zones in rain, snow and
> freezing rain, when there is no reason to be such a hazard.


i used to think and drive like you. then i bought a set of dunlop sp
sports, and suddenly, i was in a world of quite stupendously bad wet
weather tires - hydroplaning so bad that, yes, you had to creep along at
less than 50 when it rained. [fab dry weather tires btw, but oh, so bad
in the wet, it was just a nightmare.]

moral of the story - i've gone back to michelins and my old driving
habits, but now i understand why others don't drive like me - they don't
have decent rubber.


--
nomina rutrum rutrum
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Old 18 Oct 2010, 04:14 pm
M.A. Stewart
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jim beam (me@privacy.net) writes:
> On 10/17/2010 10:47 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
>> On 10/17/2010 12:13 PM, Barney Oldfield wrote:


>>>
>>> If you drive at "highway speeds" in "snow and a freezing rain" only a
>>> fool would intentionally be in your way, or anywhere near you.


>>
>> That's true, fools often drive around forty to fifty kilometres an hour
>> in one hundred and ten kilometre an hour zones in rain, snow and
>> freezing rain, when there is no reason to be such a hazard.


>
> i used to think and drive like you. then i bought a set of dunlop sp
> sports, and suddenly, i was in a world of quite stupendously bad wet
> weather tires - hydroplaning so bad that, yes, you had to creep along at
> less than 50 when it rained. [fab dry weather tires btw, but oh, so bad
> in the wet, it was just a nightmare.]
>
> moral of the story - i've gone back to michelins and my old driving
> habits, but now i understand why others don't drive like me - they don't
> have decent rubber.
>
>
> --
> nomina rutrum rutrum



What's missing from this string is two words... 'road salt'.

In eastern Canada a lot of road salt is laid down on the roads
all winter... it is virtually always there... it is embedded into the
pores of the road surface. That road salt doesn't get washed/flushed
away until the rains of the spring and summer. This is why people
can sometimes manage highway speeds during inclement winter
weather. The road crews are usually always on top winter road
maintenance (plowing and laying down a lot of salt). Depending on
regional preferences and actual conditions, sand, crushed stone,
stone dust, etc., could also be included with the salt.

When winter first hits (and that usually means it is staying for 4 or
5 months), the first snow event produces a huge rash of collisions. The
media blames it on "people have forgotten how to drive in the winter".
This is only partially the reason. What is actually happening, is the
road is more slippery, because there is no salt on the road! They are
driving like they did in the middle of the previous winter. Sometimes
if there is a big thaw (in the middle of the winter) with enough rain
to wash the salt off (and out of) the road, the same phenomenon
(huge rash of collisions) happens when 'Winter Returns'.



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