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Old 04 Oct 2010, 11:13 pm
john sunday
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Default 2000 hinda civic will not start after rain

my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks
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Old 05 Oct 2010, 12:05 am
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Default Re: 2000 hinda civic will not start after rain

On 10/4/2010 11:13 PM, john sunday wrote:
> my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
> the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
> battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks


Did you ever have it serviced by a mechanic from England? If so, check
and make sure that none of the electrics were replaced with Lucas
products. It's rumored that cars so equipped will have difficulty
starting if a stray dog pisses within three blocks of the car.

Seriously, have you double (and triple) checked the battery connection?
It's possible to have a periodic problem like this with the terminal
being slightly loose. Without it being properly tightened you can
experience intermittent "dead" battery problems.
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Old 05 Oct 2010, 06:12 am
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Default Re: 2000 hinda civic will not start after rain

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT), john sunday
<vuvuzelah@gmail.com> wrote:

>my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
>the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
>battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks



If it turns over and not starting when it is wet it is caused by bad
plug wires and probably a bad distributer cap. I can almost guarantee
it.
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Old 05 Oct 2010, 07:11 am
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Default Re: 2000 hinda civic will not start after rain

On 10/5/2010 8:12 AM, Clete wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT), john sunday
> <vuvuzelah@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
>> the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
>> battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks

>
>
> If it turns over and not starting when it is wet it is caused by bad
> plug wires and probably a bad distributer cap. I can almost guarantee
> it.


I second this - try replacing plug wires with a new set and make sure
they're well seated.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...enance/1272351

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Old 05 Oct 2010, 10:10 am
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Default Re: 2000 hinda civic will not start after rain


"Clete" <leclaij@halifax.ca> wrote in message
news:bs1ma6ldtbps9u6t69hvnl9l4v9a4j9u4s@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT), john sunday
> <vuvuzelah@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
>>the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
>>battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks

>
>
> If it turns over and not starting when it is wet it is caused by bad
> plug wires and probably a bad distributer cap. I can almost guarantee
> it.


I would agree if the OP said this happened after driving in the rain as the
engine area gets wet from splashing. But every car I've owned the engine
area stayed dry when sitting there, even if raining.

Unless you are saying the increased humidity of nearby puddled water was
enough to make the plugs and wires act wet.

I'd be looking more towards a more sensitive component than the plug wires
and/or cap.


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Old 05 Oct 2010, 10:30 am
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Default Re: 2000 hinda civic will not start after rain

On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:10:23 -0400, "Seth"
<sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:

>
>"Clete" <leclaij@halifax.ca> wrote in message
>news:bs1ma6ldtbps9u6t69hvnl9l4v9a4j9u4s@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT), john sunday
>> <vuvuzelah@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
>>>the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
>>>battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks

>>
>>
>> If it turns over and not starting when it is wet it is caused by bad
>> plug wires and probably a bad distributer cap. I can almost guarantee
>> it.

>
>I would agree if the OP said this happened after driving in the rain as the
>engine area gets wet from splashing. But every car I've owned the engine
>area stayed dry when sitting there, even if raining.
>
>Unless you are saying the increased humidity of nearby puddled water was
>enough to make the plugs and wires act wet.
>
>I'd be looking more towards a more sensitive component than the plug wires
>and/or cap.
>

I would repectfully disagree on this one. Don't lead the OP astray on
this one. I would bet if he sprayed his wires in the dark the light
show would be like 4th of July fireworks.
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Old 05 Oct 2010, 10:34 am
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Default Re: 2000 hinda civic will not start after rain

On 10/05/2010 08:10 AM, Seth wrote:
>
> "Clete" <leclaij@halifax.ca> wrote in message
> news:bs1ma6ldtbps9u6t69hvnl9l4v9a4j9u4s@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT), john sunday
>> <vuvuzelah@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
>>> the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
>>> battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks

>>
>>
>> If it turns over and not starting when it is wet it is caused by bad
>> plug wires and probably a bad distributer cap. I can almost guarantee
>> it.

>
> I would agree if the OP said this happened after driving in the rain as
> the engine area gets wet from splashing. But every car I've owned the
> engine area stayed dry when sitting there, even if raining.
>
> Unless you are saying the increased humidity of nearby puddled water was
> enough to make the plugs and wires act wet.
>
> I'd be looking more towards a more sensitive component than the plug
> wires and/or cap.
>
>


just general humidity can be a severe problem on ignition systems if
maintenance is not performed properly. this is because sweaty hands
leave salt residues. salt is both a conductor and hygroscopic. this
can easily create either full or partial conduction paths to earth for
the spark current.

ignition systems should always be worked on with gloves. all sensitive
components like plugs and distributor caps, especially rotor arms,
should be carefully be wiped clean with a clean lint-free cloth prior to
assembly.

on a side note, never clean spark plugs with a wire brush - it leaves
metal residue on insulators which has much the same effect of creating a
conduction path at high voltages.


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Old 05 Oct 2010, 05:10 pm
Jim Yanik
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Clete <leclaij@halifax.ca> wrote in
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> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:10:23 -0400, "Seth"
><sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Clete" <leclaij@halifax.ca> wrote in message
>>news:bs1ma6ldtbps9u6t69hvnl9l4v9a4j9u4s@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT), john sunday
>>> <vuvuzelah@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up
>>>>(when the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a
>>>>new battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> If it turns over and not starting when it is wet it is caused by bad
>>> plug wires and probably a bad distributer cap. I can almost
>>> guarantee it.

>>
>>I would agree if the OP said this happened after driving in the rain
>>as the engine area gets wet from splashing. But every car I've owned
>>the engine area stayed dry when sitting there, even if raining.
>>
>>Unless you are saying the increased humidity of nearby puddled water
>>was enough to make the plugs and wires act wet.
>>
>>I'd be looking more towards a more sensitive component than the plug
>>wires and/or cap.
>>

> I would repectfully disagree on this one. Don't lead the OP astray on
> this one. I would bet if he sprayed his wires in the dark the light
> show would be like 4th of July fireworks.
>


you could get enough of a temperature change from a rainstorm to cause
condensation under the hood on plug wires or dist.cap.,particularly when
combined with the higher humidity.

If the HV is leaking away,it's not going to ignite the cylinder charges.

causes for no start;
no crank
no fuel/too much fuel
no spark/spark not getting to plugs(going elsewhere)

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Old 05 Oct 2010, 05:13 pm
Jim Yanik
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jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
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> On 10/05/2010 08:10 AM, Seth wrote:
>>
>> "Clete" <leclaij@halifax.ca> wrote in message
>> news:bs1ma6ldtbps9u6t69hvnl9l4v9a4j9u4s@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT), john sunday
>>> <vuvuzelah@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> my car will not start after it rains overnight, when it warms up (when
>>>> the weather) . it starts right away. what can i do. i have a new
>>>> battery, new starter. any help will be appreciated. Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> If it turns over and not starting when it is wet it is caused by bad
>>> plug wires and probably a bad distributer cap. I can almost guarantee
>>> it.

>>
>> I would agree if the OP said this happened after driving in the rain as
>> the engine area gets wet from splashing. But every car I've owned the
>> engine area stayed dry when sitting there, even if raining.
>>
>> Unless you are saying the increased humidity of nearby puddled water was
>> enough to make the plugs and wires act wet.
>>
>> I'd be looking more towards a more sensitive component than the plug
>> wires and/or cap.
>>
>>

>
> just general humidity can be a severe problem on ignition systems if
> maintenance is not performed properly. this is because sweaty hands
> leave salt residues. salt is both a conductor and hygroscopic. this
> can easily create either full or partial conduction paths to earth for
> the spark current.


dirt and grease films can also conduct HV.
>
> ignition systems should always be worked on with gloves. all sensitive
> components like plugs and distributor caps, especially rotor arms,
> should be carefully be wiped clean with a clean lint-free cloth prior to
> assembly.
>
> on a side note, never clean spark plugs with a wire brush - it leaves
> metal residue on insulators which has much the same effect of creating a
> conduction path at high voltages.
>
>


Good point!
ceramic is much harder and more abrasive than the metal of the wire brush
bristles.
it's like wiping a lead wheel weight across concrete;it's gonna leave a
track of metal.

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