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Old 21 Sep 2010, 10:11 am
Howard Lester
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Default Nokian All Weather Plus WR tires -- do they wear out fast?

I found a local Nokian dealer and have been prepared to pay the $600 for a
set of four. The fellow said they're good for 50,000 miles. But my Honda
(independent) mechanic told me this morning that, while they're great in
winter, if I run them in the summer they'll wear out quickly. "You'll get
about two winters out of them." He went on to suggest I instead go to
Tirerack or Tires Direct and get a set of Blizzaks on their own wheels for
about the same price. Since they come mounted, I can seasonally change out
the tires myself. The car is a 2004 Accord sedan, 4 cyl.

I had looked at Tirerack some time ago to see what they offer with
tire/wheel combinations, and they say I have to make sure the wheels I buy
will not interfere with anything, such as the brakes... How would I know
before ordering, and isn't that for them to have already figured out per the
car I'm specifying?

Opinions?

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Old 21 Sep 2010, 11:06 am
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Howard Lester wrote:
> I found a local Nokian dealer and have been prepared to pay the $600 for
> a set of four. The fellow said they're good for 50,000 miles. But my
> Honda (independent) mechanic told me this morning that, while they're
> great in winter, if I run them in the summer they'll wear out quickly.
> "You'll get about two winters out of them." He went on to suggest I
> instead go to Tirerack or Tires Direct and get a set of Blizzaks on
> their own wheels for about the same price. Since they come mounted, I
> can seasonally change out the tires myself. The car is a 2004 Accord
> sedan, 4 cyl.
>
> I had looked at Tirerack some time ago to see what they offer with
> tire/wheel combinations, and they say I have to make sure the wheels I
> buy will not interfere with anything, such as the brakes... How would I
> know before ordering, and isn't that for them to have already figured
> out per the car I'm specifying?
>
> Opinions?



If you drive 25,000 miles per year, you'll get two winters out of them.
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Old 22 Sep 2010, 05:08 am
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Default Re: Nokian All Weather Plus WR tires -- do they wear out fast?

In article <i7ahud$3ho$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Howard Lester" <howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

> I found a local Nokian dealer and have been prepared to pay the $600 for a
> set of four. The fellow said they're good for 50,000 miles. But my Honda
> (independent) mechanic told me this morning that, while they're great in
> winter, if I run them in the summer they'll wear out quickly.


No. He's wrong. They actually wear quite well.

He's thinking that they're dedicated winter/snow tires. They're not.
They're just a fantastic all-season tire that qualifies, due to advanced
engineering, for the snowflake emblem of a winter tire.
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Old 22 Sep 2010, 06:33 am
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

But my Honda
>> (independent) mechanic told me this morning that, while they're great in
>> winter, if I run them in the summer they'll wear out quickly.


> No. He's wrong. They actually wear quite well.
>
> He's thinking that they're dedicated winter/snow tires. They're not.
> They're just a fantastic all-season tire that qualifies, due to advanced
> engineering, for the snowflake emblem of a winter tire.


OK, good. So you're recommending I just get the Nokians put on and be done
with it, yes? :-) That'd certainly make life simpler than maintaining a
whole extra set of tires on their own wheels.

Another related question: the Nokian dealer said I should put a 40 lb
sandbag (or other weight) in the trunk along each side (80 lbs total extra
weights) "because the Accord's rear is so light." Again, my Honda mechanic
disagreed, saying "those weights would lift the front end off the ground."
No, of course they wouldn't lift "off the ground," but would presumably give
the front less traction. ? Is the Honda guy wrong again?

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Old 23 Sep 2010, 02:15 am
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In article <i7cpit$6h5$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Howard Lester" <howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

> > He's thinking that they're dedicated winter/snow tires. They're not.
> > They're just a fantastic all-season tire that qualifies, due to advanced
> > engineering, for the snowflake emblem of a winter tire.

>
> OK, good. So you're recommending I just get the Nokians put on and be done
> with it, yes? :-)


That's exactly what I did.
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Old 23 Sep 2010, 02:17 am
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Default Re: Nokian All Weather Plus WR tires -- do they wear out fast?

In article <i7cpit$6h5$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Howard Lester" <howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

> Another related question: the Nokian dealer said I should put a 40 lb
> sandbag (or other weight) in the trunk along each side (80 lbs total extra
> weights) "because the Accord's rear is so light." Again, my Honda mechanic
> disagreed, saying "those weights would lift the front end off the ground."
> No, of course they wouldn't lift "off the ground," but would presumably give
> the front less traction. ? Is the Honda guy wrong again?


It will change the dynamics of the car away from how the Honda engineers
designed it, yes.

On the other hand, 80lbs isn't much more than an annoyance; the car is
well within its limits to have 160lbs in the back seat (a person), so...

But your mechanic sounds like one of those fathers tossing nuggets of
"wisdom" at his daughter--"wisdom" that he accumulated over years of
driving his 59 Chevy. In other words, I don't really think much of his
"wisdom".
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Old 23 Sep 2010, 08:09 am
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Default Re: Nokian All Weather Plus WR tires -- do they wear out fast?

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

>> Another related question: the Nokian dealer said I should put a 40 lb
>> sandbag (or other weight) in the trunk along each side (80 lbs total
>> extra
>> weights) "because the Accord's rear is so light."


> It will change the dynamics of the car away from how the Honda engineers
> designed it, yes.


Understood. With that in mind, would you recommend I go ahead and put extra
weight in the trunk, or first try driving in snow without it and see how the
car responds/feels? This is a 4-cyl Accord sedan with auto transmission.
Weight distribution is 1964 front, 1249 rear. It was the tire dealer who
suggested I add the weight.

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Old 23 Sep 2010, 05:23 pm
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Default Re: Nokian All Weather Plus WR tires -- do they wear out fast?

In article <i7fji3$1mq$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Howard Lester" <howardxtlester@verizon.net> wrote:

> With that in mind, would you recommend I go ahead and put extra
> weight in the trunk, or first try driving in snow without it and see how the
> car responds/feels?


If you put good and identical winter tires on all four corners, you will
preserve the relative handling dynamics that the engineers intended.

Try it without the weight and see what you think. You'll find that it
works just fine that way.
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Old 23 Sep 2010, 05:50 pm
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Default Re: Nokian All Weather Plus WR tires -- do they wear out fast?

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

>> With that in mind, would you recommend I go ahead and put extra
>> weight in the trunk, or first try driving in snow without it and see how
>> the
>> car responds/feels?

>
> If you put good and identical winter tires on all four corners, you will
> preserve the relative handling dynamics that the engineers intended.
>
> Try it without the weight and see what you think. You'll find that it
> works just fine that way.


I will be getting four Nokian WR's, and I'll first try it out without the
added weight -- thanks for your advice.

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