Honda Car Forum

In news:%NBKb.39940$Pg1.23104@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net,
MDT Tech® <ssauer4O@repairman.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> See Your Lights wrote:
> >
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> > I often posted about how defective my GMC's fuel
> > injector was. Doesn't mean that all GM trucks were bad. Just the
> > CPI unit on the 94-96 Vortec 4300 engine. (An engine that -
> > despite the FI unit is still running at over 200K.)
>
> Mike would say its OK, because its not Ford. He is a Ford lackey.
> But he has done more harm than good in the Toyota group for Ford.
> Fords werent even spoke of here, then he showed up and now we know
> all about them.

Were it not for MikeHunt's provocation, I would not have coalesced
the truth about Ford ownership:

"The ONLY good Ford is a Ford still on Warranty or an old Ford
restored"
--

-Philip

"Whatever is a choice will become chosen"

See Your Lights wrote:

> <MajorDomo@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3FF9FFDD.60588DE8@mailcity.com...
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>>More Ford bashing in a Toyota NG again I see. One could say
>>things like that in any NG about any other brand as well.
>>Posters do it every day in various NG's
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> I don't see that post as "Ford Bashing" in any way. I think it is well known
> that the tranny in the Windstar/Taurus had issues for several years. I
> believe they were redesigned in 2001 (AX4 ?), and were much better. I think
> you can say that a car by company x (particularly one as large as Ford or
> GM) is bad without "bashing" the whole company.

Unfortunately, Ford DOES make crud across its whole line because of its 5%
mandatory cost reduction per year policy that they make their suppliers
comply with. 5% a year, every year, reduced cost to Ford. Whomever thought
this up is going to destroy the company in a decade.

And it is plainly showing in the last couple of years as rather than be out
of business, their suppliers are outsourcing their subcomponets to cheaper
sources and while it passes the specs, reliability is far worse. Also,
many suppliers have figured out that if it is made/assembled in the U.S.,
it is considered "domestic" - no matter where the individual circuit boards
and plastic and steel and so on comes from.

Afterall, unless the part specifies new high-strength U.S. steel, nobody
can tell the difference between recycled stuff from China or Taiwan once
it is anodized or electroplated.

5% price reduction a year, mandatory. 1-2% vehicle price increase every
year. Not hard to do the math. In a decade, your Escort will cost
Ford 40% less and you 20% more. 20K for an Escort than costs Ford
10K to build, anyone? At that point, you'd be better off buying
a KIA or Hyundai. At least you get that 10 year warranty.

Their business plan seems to be to buy out other companies that make
superior vehicles and graft their parts into their other vehicles.
All this is going to do is eventually drag all of the Ford brands
down to the same shoddy level as they continue to try to cut costs every
year.(notable exception with Jaguar) Volvo was the real shame, though.
Twice the quality of anything Ford ever made. Now, the 2005s are going
to start seeing Ford versions. Ick.


Me? Honda and Toyota don't play this game. Nice quality cars.