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I just had my first oil change at the dealer. I had looked at the factory
filter before the work was done. The new filter is blue like the old one,
but the diameter looks much smaller...this sound right?

Anyone have the part # it should be?

Nobody wrote:
>
> I just had my first oil change at the dealer. I had looked at the factory
> filter before the work was done. The new filter is blue like the old one,
> but the diameter looks much smaller...this sound right?
>

Yes, according to a dealer parts tech I spoke with recently, Honda has
superseded the old filters with the newer smaller ones. The mounting flange is
the same. However, this parts tech was uncertain if the filter media had
changed or just the size of the can. It's likely that both have changed. One
thing of interest that he did mention to me was that the supplier for the new
smaller filters was Fram (made in Canada) and that the Filtech filters (made in
USA) will not be available in the smaller size. He also seemed doubtful that
the older style Filtech filters would continue to be available for much longer.

Eric

Eric <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:<3F53E0C2.2B4D497C@spam.now>...
> Nobody wrote:
One
> thing of interest that he did mention to me was that the supplier for the new
> smaller filters was Fram (made in Canada) and that the Filtech filters (made in
> USA) will not be available in the smaller size. He also seemed doubtful that
> the older style Filtech filters would continue to be available for much longer.


I've suspected this for some time. The much superior filter will be
phased out in favor of the cardboard specials.

Thanks, but I'd use a Hastings LF-402 instead.

--- Bror Jace

Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the smaller
one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
other filter but in a smaller package.
"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93E71C31EB00XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.167 ...
> I just had my first oil change at the dealer. I had looked at the factory
> filter before the work was done. The new filter is blue like the old one,
> but the diameter looks much smaller...this sound right?
>
> Anyone have the part # it should be?

<kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
smaller
> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
> other filter but in a smaller package.

How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
test data?

Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

John

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:52:22 -0800, "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
><kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com.. .
>> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
>smaller
>> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
>> other filter but in a smaller package.
>
>How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
>test data?
>
>Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

No they're still made by Fram as they have been for a while. The old style
Filtechs have been difficult to get from many dealers for a while but
apparently there *is* a Filtech equivalent of the new design.

>Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type of
oil fiilter. I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given new
model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are not that
unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back had a tiny
oil filter.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:3mp62017l7a3smpum847tfatrmu59b7mk8@4ax.com:

> I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
> consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type
> of oil fiilter.


They do this with other parts too. It's called "rationalization". They've
done it with the front brake pads for my '91 Integra.


I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given
> new model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are
> not that unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back
> had a tiny oil filter.


The OEM filter for our Tercel is even smaller than the new Honda one. It's
about the same diameter, but 3/8" shorter than the new Honda one.


--
TeGGeR®

If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart $2.89
ea.

Tom
"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
news:3mp62017l7a3smpum847tfatrmu59b7mk8@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:52:22 -0800, "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> ><kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com.. .
> >> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
> >smaller
> >> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
> >> other filter but in a smaller package.
> >
> >How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
> >test data?
> >
> >Honda also changed suppliers and construction.
>
> No they're still made by Fram as they have been for a while. The old
style
> Filtechs have been difficult to get from many dealers for a while but
> apparently there *is* a Filtech equivalent of the new design.
>
> >Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?
>
> I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
> consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type of
> oil fiilter. I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given new
> model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are not that
> unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back had a tiny
> oil filter.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald
>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who,
me??

"tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net...
> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart
$2.89
> ea.
>
> Tom

Because they're made to better specs.


> "George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message
> news:3mp62017l7a3smpum847tfatrmu59b7mk8@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:52:22 -0800, "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > ><kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
> > >news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com.. .
> > >> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
> > >smaller
> > >> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as
the
> > >> other filter but in a smaller package.
> > >
> > >How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to
internal
> > >test data?
> > >
> > >Honda also changed suppliers and construction.
> >
> > No they're still made by Fram as they have been for a while. The old
> style
> > Filtechs have been difficult to get from many dealers for a while but
> > apparently there *is* a Filtech equivalent of the new design.
> >
> > >Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?
> >
> > I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
> > consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type
of
> > oil fiilter. I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given new
> > model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are not that
> > unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back had a tiny
> > oil filter.
> >
> > Rgds, George Macdonald
> >
> > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who,
> me??
>
>

On 6 Feb 2004 20:35:26 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:3mp62017l7a3smpum847tfatrmu59b7mk8@4ax.com:
>
>> I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
>> consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type
>> of oil fiilter.
>
>
>They do this with other parts too. It's called "rationalization". They've
>done it with the front brake pads for my '91 Integra.

Brake pads? Is this a friction material difference? Surely they can't
change the size in any way.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??