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"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:51:54 GMT, "Sean U. Cummings"
<dotcom@dot.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"flobert" wrote
> >>As it is, i'm working out some
> >
> >
> >
> >> When i first moved to the US 2 1/2 years ago
> >>(whilst i painted
> >> and prepped our new house) i was tutoring her in the evenings
(since i
> >> i'd done years earlier in the (getting dumbed down year-by-year)
> >>i've just given you all 3 sides, its more a ratios
> >> one i used
> >> i think.
> >
> >> The US education system lacks far behind european nations.
American
> >> educated students, have to take a 'year0' or foundation year at
> >
> >> We had homecomming last friday.
> >
> >
> >> organisations
> >
> >> i was about 14-15
> >
> >> competance
> >
> >> not sure i agree with you 100% here.
> >
> >> i only guide a step or 2.
> >> it, i'll guide
> >> i'll write
> >
> >>hapy with the grades my
> >
> >
> >> Guess thats where i'm lucky.
> >
> >
> >>US education system does need a severe
> >> kick up the arse though
> >
> >Where did you get your education? I'm curious, because when
speaking of
> >oneself, you capilize the letter "I".
>
> Lousy shift key - I catch as many as I can, but often when I get
into
> a 'flow' I lose track of if the shift worked or not.
>
> >
> >Homecoming, is not spelled homecomming.
> >
> >Organizations, is not spelled organisations.
> >
> >Competence, is not spelled competance.
> >
> >Happy, is not spelled hapy.
>
> Hmm, one mis-spelling, one omitted letter, one accidentally doubled
> letter, and one word that is actually selt CORRECTLY, according to
the
> proper english language (as in the ofifical English Language, you
> know, spoken in England0 as opposed to the bastardised one written
by

if you want to speak the king's english, move to england.


> Webster, a drunken illiterate.I'm surprised you didn't try and tell
me
> i'd spelt words wrong by putting U's in, words like colour, or
> neighbour. Despite what you may have been taught (and we're back to
> the bias in subject teachings like history, and politics) American
> English is the regional variant, not the standard. Of course, by the
> same token, you spelt capitalise wrong. Oh yes, and its SPELT not
> SPELLED, you're not giving me temporary relief on a job by taking my
> place. What was that about education again? Thank you though for
> emphasising that the American education ssytem needs a sever
overhaul.
> however, next time I'm uncertain as to if a key has registered (be
it
> the p or shift key or whatever) then you shall be sure I'll drop you
> an email.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spell

spelled or spelt, both are correct. so is tomatoe and potatoe (i
learned in 4th grade that dropping the 'e' was unacceptable).

"remco" <whybcuzREMOVE@THISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "remco" <whybcuzREMOVE@THISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> > > news:7GAYe.2263$Qq1.365267@newshog.newsread.com...
> > > > communism.
> > >
> > > Yeah, that's about as evil as top posting.
> >
> > i just wanted to separate the answer to the question from the
remark
> > i made below.
>
> I was just kidding.

i know.
>
>

"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:51:54 GMT, "Sean U. Cummings"
<dotcom@dot.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"flobert" wrote
> >>As it is, i'm working out some
> >
> >
> >
> >> When i first moved to the US 2 1/2 years ago
> >>(whilst i painted
> >> and prepped our new house) i was tutoring her in the evenings
(since i
> >> i'd done years earlier in the (getting dumbed down year-by-year)
> >>i've just given you all 3 sides, its more a ratios
> >> one i used
> >> i think.
> >
> >> The US education system lacks far behind european nations.
American
> >> educated students, have to take a 'year0' or foundation year at
> >
> >> We had homecomming last friday.
> >
> >
> >> organisations
> >
> >> i was about 14-15
> >
> >> competance
> >
> >> not sure i agree with you 100% here.
> >
> >> i only guide a step or 2.
> >> it, i'll guide
> >> i'll write
> >
> >>hapy with the grades my
> >
> >
> >> Guess thats where i'm lucky.
> >
> >
> >>US education system does need a severe
> >> kick up the arse though
> >
> >Where did you get your education? I'm curious, because when
speaking of
> >oneself, you capilize the letter "I".
>
> Lousy shift key - I catch as many as I can, but often when I get
into
> a 'flow' I lose track of if the shift worked or not.
>
> >
> >Homecoming, is not spelled homecomming.
> >
> >Organizations, is not spelled organisations.
> >
> >Competence, is not spelled competance.
> >
> >Happy, is not spelled hapy.
>
> Hmm, one mis-spelling, one omitted letter, one accidentally doubled
> letter, and one word that is actually selt CORRECTLY, according to
the
> proper english language (as in the ofifical English Language, you
> know, spoken in England0 as opposed to the bastardised one written
by
> Webster, a drunken illiterate.I'm surprised you didn't try and tell
me
> i'd spelt words wrong by putting U's in, words like colour, or
> neighbour. Despite what you may have been taught (and we're back to
> the bias in subject teachings like history, and politics) American
> English is the regional variant, not the standard. Of course, by the
> same token, you spelt capitalise wrong. Oh yes, and its


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=capitalize
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=capitalise


SPELT not
> SPELLED, you're not giving me temporary relief on a job by taking my
> place. What was that about education again? Thank you though for
> emphasising that the American education ssytem needs a sever
overhaul.
> however, next time I'm uncertain as to if a key has registered (be
it
> the p or shift key or whatever) then you shall be sure I'll drop you
> an email.

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:58:50 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spell
>
>spelled or spelt, both are correct. so is tomatoe and potatoe (i
>learned in 4th grade that dropping the 'e' was unacceptable).
>
Life in the South, huh?

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> I haven't put much stock in evolution as an explanation for
>> "how we got here" since my period of paleontological reading
>> around 1970; the shortfalls aren't apparent until you examine
>> the time line and estimate the number of generations for
>> various changes.
>
> What kind of scientist are you?
>
I'm not; I'm an engineer. But I can count just fine. I can research and
analyse with the best of 'em, too - that's how I make my living.

And you?

Mike

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
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> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:1127465519.780940.94500@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...

>> What kind of scientist are you?
>>
> I'm not; I'm an engineer. But I can count just fine.



I count well, too. But then I run out of fingers and toes.
(Can I count them twice?)


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"remco" <whybcuzREMOVE@THISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:Zr2dnXg1cs5j1K7enZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net...
>> If you think about it, everything we plan is a program. Understanding how
> to
>> structure and modularize plans (including "exception handling" - dealing
>> with potential snags) is the key to carrying off any big project.
> Outlining
>> provides the same sort of benefit for small projects but doesn't have the
>> potential for minimizing interactions or handling vagaries of fate that
>> structured logic does.
>>
>
> Yup, I think so too. There's no better teacher than getting utterly
> frustrated at a problem, requiring some hair pulling. Besides teaching
> good
> logic thinking skills, it also teaches tenacity.
>
>
>
Oh, yeah! My favorite was a decibel conversion we were trying to incorporate
into a simple baseband monitor. We had a nice SBC that had everything we
needed in a compact and cheap package... but it booted to a version of BASIC
that was limited to 8 bits and had no floating point math. Not ideal for the
task: convert a digitized input to the nearest dB over a 10 dB (a bit more
than a 3:1) range. The formula is <20 log (input)>. Huh. A couple days later
it hit me and the algorithm fit into fewer than a dozen lines of code. The
trick was to choose a seed, initialize a loop counter to 10 (decrementing to
0), and subtract the integer divide by ten from the seed (effectively
multiplying the seed by 0.9) with each pass. When the input value exceeded
the result, the counter was the dB value. One mid-loop correction brought it
within spec. I love it! It should be taught in college! ;-)

I suppose it could have been done with a lookup table, but what's the fun in
that?

Mike

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "remco" <whybcuzREMOVE@THISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9CIYe.979$dl2.2@fe08.lga...
> >
> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> > news:Zr2dnXg1cs5j1K7enZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@sedona.net...
> >> If you think about it, everything we plan is a program. Understanding
how
> > to
> >> structure and modularize plans (including "exception handling" -
dealing
> >> with potential snags) is the key to carrying off any big project.
> > Outlining
> >> provides the same sort of benefit for small projects but doesn't have
the
> >> potential for minimizing interactions or handling vagaries of fate that
> >> structured logic does.
> >>
> >
> > Yup, I think so too. There's no better teacher than getting utterly
> > frustrated at a problem, requiring some hair pulling. Besides teaching
> > good
> > logic thinking skills, it also teaches tenacity.
> >
> >
> >
> Oh, yeah! My favorite was a decibel conversion we were trying to
incorporate
> into a simple baseband monitor. We had a nice SBC that had everything we
> needed in a compact and cheap package... but it booted to a version of
BASIC
> that was limited to 8 bits and had no floating point math. Not ideal for
the
> task: convert a digitized input to the nearest dB over a 10 dB (a bit more
> than a 3:1) range. The formula is <20 log (input)>. Huh. A couple days
later
> it hit me and the algorithm fit into fewer than a dozen lines of code. The
> trick was to choose a seed, initialize a loop counter to 10 (decrementing
to
> 0), and subtract the integer divide by ten from the seed (effectively
> multiplying the seed by 0.9) with each pass. When the input value exceeded
> the result, the counter was the dB value. One mid-loop correction brought
it
> within spec. I love it! It should be taught in college! ;-)
>

That's what I am talking about!! Nice!
And we're such well adjusted people, having worked on these tough
headscratchers. Well, you are, anyway

> I suppose it could have been done with a lookup table, but what's the fun
in
> that?
>

Interpolation/extrapolation is for pussies.

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:1127465519.780940.94500@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...

> I haven't put much stock in evolution as an explanation for
> "how we got here" since my period of paleontological reading
> around 1970; the shortfalls aren't apparent until you examine
> the time line and estimate the number of generations for
> various changes.

> > What kind of scientist are you?

> I'm not; I'm an engineer. But I can count just fine. I can research and
> analyse with the best of 'em, too - that's how I make my living.

So you don't believe in Creationism either? After all it makes even
less sense and has less evidence to support it than any major theory of
evolution does.

Are biologists qualified to do your job?

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> news:1127465519.780940.94500@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>
>> I haven't put much stock in evolution as an explanation for
>> "how we got here" since my period of paleontological reading
>> around 1970; the shortfalls aren't apparent until you examine
>> the time line and estimate the number of generations for
>> various changes.
>
>> > What kind of scientist are you?
>
>> I'm not; I'm an engineer. But I can count just fine. I can research and
>> analyse with the best of 'em, too - that's how I make my living.
>
> So you don't believe in Creationism either? After all it makes even
> less sense and has less evidence to support it than any major theory of
> evolution does.
>
> Are biologists qualified to do your job?
>
On the contrary, creation is the only explanation for our existence that
makes any sense at all. My personal belief is that the creation comes from
what we regard as ourselves, reminiscent of Taoism. Few people agree with me
and I see no purpose in trying to explain, much less to convince anybody.
Even the simple explanation is lengthy, but my belief doesn't alter the fact
of the utter inadequacy of evolutionary theory in the origin of Mankind.

You assume we are fundamentally biological beings, but the evidence is
heavily against that. If we are fundamentally biological, we are probably
the products of evolution. But evolution falls far short of explaining why
we should have the capacity for abstract thought. There is no theoretical
mechanism for it, as natural selection is the mechanism for physical
improvements. Natural selection has only the most marginal effect on
intelligence; the intelligence of parents is not clearly related to the
intelligence of offspring. Larger brains allow for greater capacity for
skills, but abstract thought is a very different matter. Nor can we theorize
that social units containing intellectually superior individuals will
thrive - that is contrary to the process of natural selection, which
requires the suppression of weaker individuals. In addition, related lines
should show similar development - the Great Apes should compete quite
closely with us for intellectual capability.

Hominids have been around roughly five million years. At an average of 10
generations per century, this allows something like half a million
generations for the physical changes from Australopithecus to Homo Sapiens
to occur. So far so good. But the first hint of abstract thought - cave
drawings - only dates back about 30,000 years. Allowing for undiscovered
cave drawings and other uncertainties, let's place it at 100,000 years...
possibly as many as 10,000 generations ago. Agriculture appeared 10,000
years (1000 generations) ago. Writing is about as old. I don't know what
happened in the last 10,000 generations, but it clearly was not evolutionary
forces that produced our level of thought. There is no evidence whatever,
and a predominance of indications to the contrary, that 10,000 generations
ago hominids existed that could have engaged in this conversation (language
barriers aside).

There is no evolutionary basis for art, literature, science, mathematics,
philosophy, law or religion. For the reasons I cited above, schools of
evolved beings could teach skills, but not ideas - they could not conceive
of biology. There would be no books, because books contain only symbols and
pictorial representations: abstractions. Evolved beings are fundamentally
interchangable, so individual deaths would be meaningless. That sort of
existence, what I refer to as an "earth and sky" perspective, is alien to
human existence anywhere on Earth. We are, as the saying goes, spirits in
the material world.

Mike