Honda Car Forum

On Tue, 19 May 2009 15:31:41 -0500, ray
<rollingviolation@domain.invalid.com> wrote:

>Vic Smith wrote:
>
>> I know the sound well, from watching/hearing family members accelerate
>> away from the house. I would think, "My car sounds like that!?"
>> You'll never hear it behind the wheel though.
>> And you won't hear it anywhere at cruise or idling. Only under load.
>> As you say, it was the stock exhaust system design.
>> My son put an aftermarket glass-pak type muffler on his 3.1 Corsica.
>> After he converted it from the auto to a 5-speed Getrag.
>> Totally different sound.
>> But you'll never make a 3.1 sound like a high lift cam 352.
>>
>> --Vic
>
>If you have a malfunctioning EGR, it idles like a 69 Camaro with a cam
>in it. I actually wanted to leave it broken when I diagnosed it because
>it sounded much better...
>
he he. Think my son cleaned his a couple times. Maybe that was when
he broke 2 consecutive plenum tabs overtorqueing them.
No big deal, as he loved going to boneyards for parts.
What's that, twice bitten, thrice shy? I've made most mistakes twice.
The non-fatal ones anyway.

--Vic

On Mon, 18 May 2009 15:44:18 -0500, "Snuckfoe" <snuckfoe@cox.net>
wrote:

>These days not much is more offensive auditorily,
>although when I was riding I hypocritically wanted
>them as loud as legally possible (while pushing that
>envelope) so I could be as "visible" as possible.

But most of the sound heads out the back. Unless you are driving in
the city, you don't get any safety out of it as all.

Unless of course "visible" just means "people look at me". Then the
rules are different.

"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 May 2009 15:44:18 -0500, "Snuckfoe" <snuckfoe@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >These days not much is more offensive auditorily,
> >although when I was riding I hypocritically wanted
> >them as loud as legally possible (while pushing that
> >envelope) so I could be as "visible" as possible.
>
> But most of the sound heads out the back.

While the exhaust note is most prominent nearest the
outlet, and directly behind it, the sound permeates
the surrounding vicinity (to the chagrin of many).

> Unless you are driving in
> the city, you don't get any safety out of it as all.

Statistics clearly demonstrate that the highest prevalence of
incidents with "cages" occur in residential areas, parking lots
and other surface streets. Even with all the windows closed,
the A/C at full song, the stereo blaring and screaming kids
in the back, a driver is more likely to notice a large scooter
with loud pipes in his or her proximity than otherwise.

> Unless of course "visible" just means "people look at me". Then the
> rules are different.

Nah, although it may well be a concern for others (re:
"stylers"), I've never been insecure enough to desire
to impress total strangers by the vehicle I'm driving.

On Tue, 19 May 2009 22:56:12 -0500, "Snuckfoe" <snuckfoe@cox.net>
wrote:

>> But most of the sound heads out the back.
>
>While the exhaust note is most prominent nearest the
>outlet, and directly behind it, the sound permeates
>the surrounding vicinity (to the chagrin of many).

Only if it has something to reflect off of. Simple physics. In the
city, it reflects, in the country, not.

>> Unless you are driving in
>> the city, you don't get any safety out of it as all.
>
>Statistics clearly demonstrate that the highest prevalence of
>incidents with "cages" occur in residential areas, parking lots
>and other surface streets. Even with all the windows closed,
>the A/C at full song, the stereo blaring and screaming kids
>in the back, a driver is more likely to notice a large scooter
>with loud pipes in his or her proximity than otherwise.

I don't disagree with the accident statistics, but I do disagree that
the noise helps except in rare cases.

Besides, it's the equivalent of running with the horn button taped
down just to let people know you are there. Neither should be allowed
by law.

"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 May 2009 22:56:12 -0500, "Snuckfoe" <snuckfoe@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> But most of the sound heads out the back.
> >
> >While the exhaust note is most prominent nearest the
> >outlet, and directly behind it, the sound permeates
> >the surrounding vicinity (to the chagrin of many).
>
> Only if it has something to reflect off of. Simple physics. In the
> city, it reflects, in the country, not.

Horse hockey. If a tree falls in a forest ... Regardless
of locale, one will often times hear a loud motorcycle
well before seeing or noticing it (due to an obscured
view, not gazing in its direction or its small profile).

> >> Unless you are driving in
> >> the city, you don't get any safety out of it as all.
> >
> >Statistics clearly demonstrate that the highest prevalence of
> >incidents with "cages" occur in residential areas, parking lots
> >and other surface streets. Even with all the windows closed,
> >the A/C at full song, the stereo blaring and screaming kids
> >in the back, a driver is more likely to notice a large scooter
> >with loud pipes in his or her proximity than otherwise.
>
> I don't disagree with the accident statistics, but I do disagree that
> the noise helps except in rare cases.

I'm not sure that I would necessarily characterize the
preponderance of accidents (those not on highways/
freeways) as rare.

> Besides, it's the equivalent of running with the horn button taped
> down just to let people know you are there. Neither should be allowed
> by law.

Not that it's defintive, but have you ever actually regularly
rode a loud notorcycle? Among those that I know that
have, the matter isn't even a close call. And exhaust notes
louder than a codified decibel level are in fact already illegal.
I'm also a strong advocate of helmets, running (head) lights,
speeds consistent with road and traffic conditions and not
driving in a compromised state (and no, I'm not referring
to California ;^)