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ABL light comes ON frequently and stays ON for long periods of time
Is the system hydraulic ?
Does it have it's own oil tank?
Does it use the same oil from the brake system?

Sorry for so many basic questions but I have no idea how the system
works.

John

"John,A" wrote in message news:312bk4lqg0o36udrna7cmojdo7lvoqrhrd@4ax.com...
> ABL light comes ON frequently and stays ON for long periods of time
> Is the system hydraulic ?
> Does it have it's own oil tank?
> Does it use the same oil from the brake system?
>
> Sorry for so many basic questions but I have no idea how the system
> works.
>
> John


ABS--- Antilock brake system. Mine's been out since ~ 130K miles or so
(IIRC) & I've replaced it w/2 used ones, which ALSO kept the light on, so
since it's not a deal-breaker for my daily-driven turbo-Teggy (w/214K miles,
mind you P ), I'm choosing to say "F - IT". ;o}

If you can't do it yourself or can't get it replaced on the cheap, the
"stealership" (as someone here once called it) will charge you out the
woo-ha for it, may close to $2K total, so since it aint CRITICAL to replace,
and you're NOT rich, then forget it. ;o}

More info, from http://en.allexperts.com/q/Acura-Rep.../ABS-light.htm :


" that is the antilock brakes.
most common thing on honda's ABS is the unit itself..
1 of 2 things:
-the accumlator has leaked out (the spherical piece in the assembly). this
supplies the pressure for the abs to apply the breaks.
-the unit itself leaks brake fluid. this will cause a 'run-on' code. if you
hear the pump come on after you start the car and run for an extended
period, then the light comes on, this is your problem.

either one of those will require a unit replacement. you are looking at over
a grand for the part alone. most people choose to leave it be and go
without. especially on older cars

occasionally the abs motor itself will go out, but this isnt as common.
although the needed part is the same (1 large assembly)"


&

https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/...393O00038A.pdf

"John,A" wrote in message news:312bk4lqg0o36udrna7cmojdo7lvoqrhrd@4ax.com...
> ABL light comes ON frequently and stays ON for long periods of time
> Is the system hydraulic ?
> Does it have it's own oil tank?
> Does it use the same oil from the brake system?
>
> Sorry for so many basic questions but I have no idea how the system
> works.
>
> John

Whoops--- didn't mean to imply that you were NOT rich, but IF you are not
rich..... then don't sweat it, but if you have the cash to replace it for
peace-of-mind, then get er done!!!!!!

"John,A" <> wrote in news:312bk4lqg0o36udrna7cmojdo7lvoqrhrd@4ax.com:

> ABL light comes ON frequently



That would be "ALB", Honda's own original acronym for ABS.



> and stays ON for long periods of time
> Is the system hydraulic ?


Yes.


> Does it have it's own oil tank?


Yes.


> Does it use the same oil from the brake system?


It's a pass-through system, where the fluid that goes to the calipers is
not the same fluid the ALB uses. That's why the ALB has its own reservoir.

The reservoir is in the engine compartment just beind the right-side shock
tower.



>
> Sorry for so many basic questions but I have no idea how the system
> works.


You need to get the trouble code that lies behind thae ALB light. For that
you need to look into the tiny access hole in a particular place and count
the blinks of the LED inside that hole.

The LED is inside a tiny round hole in the right side of the trunk trim
panel, just below the hinge, on 4-doors. It is behind a small rectangular
removable plug in the interior door panel at the bottom of the right-most
rear seatback on 2-doors.

Turn the ignition to "II", then count the blinks. There may be both long
and short, and multiple code sequences will be separated by a two-second
pause.

If it makes you feel any better, an inoperative ALB simply means the
braking system reverts to ordinary brake operation, exactly as if the car
had never had ALB installed in the first place.


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Tegger

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As usual I had perfect explanation and very helpful comments. Thank
you guys.
The car only has 93k miles (150 km) and is in god condition but I am a
bit tired of its looks. It has served me very well. Acura has over
designed this car.
Now I have to find the wire that powers the light and disconnect it.
Thanks again.

John


On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:36:53 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>"John,A" <> wrote in news:312bk4lqg0o36udrna7cmojdo7lvoqrhrd@4ax.com:
>
>> ABL light comes ON frequently
>
>
>
>That would be "ALB", Honda's own original acronym for ABS.
>
>
>
>> and stays ON for long periods of time
>> Is the system hydraulic ?
>
>
>Yes.
>
>
>> Does it have it's own oil tank?
>
>
>Yes.
>
>
>> Does it use the same oil from the brake system?
>
>
>It's a pass-through system, where the fluid that goes to the calipers is
>not the same fluid the ALB uses. That's why the ALB has its own reservoir.
>
>The reservoir is in the engine compartment just beind the right-side shock
>tower.
>
>
>
>>
>> Sorry for so many basic questions but I have no idea how the system
>> works.
>
>
>You need to get the trouble code that lies behind thae ALB light. For that
>you need to look into the tiny access hole in a particular place and count
>the blinks of the LED inside that hole.
>
>The LED is inside a tiny round hole in the right side of the trunk trim
>panel, just below the hinge, on 4-doors. It is behind a small rectangular
>removable plug in the interior door panel at the bottom of the right-most
>rear seatback on 2-doors.
>
>Turn the ignition to "II", then count the blinks. There may be both long
>and short, and multiple code sequences will be separated by a two-second
>pause.
>
>If it makes you feel any better, an inoperative ALB simply means the
>braking system reverts to ordinary brake operation, exactly as if the car
>had never had ALB installed in the first place.

"John,A" <> wrote in news:ilrck4d8iis7qi865sj2551kf612lbjadg@4ax.com:

> As usual I had perfect explanation and very helpful comments. Thank
> you guys.
> The car only has 93k miles (150 km) and is in god condition but I am a
> bit tired of its looks. It has served me very well. Acura has over
> designed this car.



I'm not tired of mine yet, and I bought it new in 1991. It has 314,000
miles on it.



> Now I have to find the wire that powers the light and disconnect it.




You have four ALB fuses in the under-hood fuse box. Remove them and the
light will go off.
1) Big screw-in 40A, the rearmost one in the group of three at the front of
that box.
2) The three 15A push-in fuses just rearwards of the 40A one.

It's rarely worth resurrecting the ALB/ABS in most older cars unless you
can do the work yourself and get the parts cheaply from a wreckers.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:29:59 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>"John,A" <> wrote in news:ilrck4d8iis7qi865sj2551kf612lbjadg@4ax.com:
>
>> As usual I had perfect explanation and very helpful comments. Thank
>> you guys.
>> The car only has 93k miles (150 km) and is in god condition but I am a
>> bit tired of its looks. It has served me very well. Acura has over
>> designed this car.
>
>
>
>I'm not tired of mine yet, and I bought it new in 1991. It has 314,000
>miles on it.
>
>
>
>> Now I have to find the wire that powers the light and disconnect it.
>
>
>
>
>You have four ALB fuses in the under-hood fuse box. Remove them and the
>light will go off.
>1) Big screw-in 40A, the rearmost one in the group of three at the front of
>that box.
>2) The three 15A push-in fuses just rearwards of the 40A one.
>
>It's rarely worth resurrecting the ALB/ABS in most older cars unless you
>can do the work yourself and get the parts cheaply from a wreckers.

Thanks again Tegger.

John

Vlad <Bla@dot.com> wrote in
news:2lkdk4del4j0krddlkv606m68ch9jtu94f@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:29:59 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
> wrote:
>

>>
>>It's rarely worth resurrecting the ALB/ABS in most older cars unless
>>you can do the work yourself and get the parts cheaply from a
>>wreckers.
>
> Thanks again Tegger.
>
> John



You're welcome.

I'm glad I don't have ABS. Way too much trouble when it gets old.



--
Tegger

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:54:42 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>Vlad <Bla@dot.com> wrote in
>news:2lkdk4del4j0krddlkv606m68ch9jtu94f@4ax.com :
>
>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:29:59 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>>It's rarely worth resurrecting the ALB/ABS in most older cars unless
>>>you can do the work yourself and get the parts cheaply from a
>>>wreckers.
>>
>> Thanks again Tegger.
>>
>> John
>
>
>
>You're welcome.
>
>I'm glad I don't have ABS. Way too much trouble when it gets old.

Well Tegger, I just put some brake fluid on the proper tank, and
everything is behaving normally again. Great car.

"John,A" <> wrote in news:tevhl4tsnmh2f8si4n6umfieemm2e48ako@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:54:42 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
> wrote:
>
>>Vlad <Bla@dot.com> wrote in
>>news:2lkdk4del4j0krddlkv606m68ch9jtu94f@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:29:59 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>It's rarely worth resurrecting the ALB/ABS in most older cars unless
>>>>you can do the work yourself and get the parts cheaply from a
>>>>wreckers.
>>>
>>> Thanks again Tegger.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>You're welcome.
>>
>>I'm glad I don't have ABS. Way too much trouble when it gets old.
>
> Well Tegger, I just put some brake fluid on the proper tank, and
> everything is behaving normally again. Great car.



That was easy. Wish I had thought of telling you to do that in the first
place.

Enjoy your ride.


--
Tegger

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