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Old 13 Aug 2008, 02:04 am
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Default 91 acura integra will turn over but wont start

Yesterday i tried to start my 91 Acura Integra and it wouldn't start,
i opened up the distributor cap and saw that the coil was cracked, i
replaced the coil, distributor rotor, and the spark wires and plugs
and it still wont start. I also changed the distributor cap cause the
points were worn. if someone could please tell me the next step and
please tell me how to check the computer, i get one red light flash
when i turn on the battery but i don't know how to make it give me a
code
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Old 13 Aug 2008, 05:18 am
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jmmcnm@gmail.com wrote in news:f3354514-eafc-41db-b5e0-
ddeaaa2c187a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

> Yesterday i tried to start my 91 Acura Integra and it wouldn't start,
> i opened up the distributor cap and saw that the coil was cracked, i
> replaced the coil, distributor rotor, and the spark wires and plugs
> and it still wont start. I also changed the distributor cap cause the
> points were worn. if someone could please tell me the next step and
> please tell me how to check the computer, i get one red light flash
> when i turn on the battery but i don't know how to make it give me a
> code
>




The Check Engine light is yellow, not red. It should come on for two
seconds when the key is first turned to "II", then it should go off and
remain off.

When you crank and the car refuses to start, does the tach needle jiggle
just the tiniest bit, or is it dead still?

To retrieve ECU codes, you short the gray two-pin Service Check connector
behind the top of the passenger kick panel (use a paper clip), peel the
carpet back from the front of the passenger footwell to expose the ECU,
turn the ignition to "II", then count the blinks from the red LED in the
face of the ECU.

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Old 13 Aug 2008, 11:09 am
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On Aug 13, 4:18*am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> jmm...@gmail.com wrote in news:f3354514-eafc-41db-b5e0-
> ddeaaa2c1...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Yesterday i tried to start my 91 Acura Integra and it wouldn't start,
> > i opened up the distributor cap and saw that the coil was cracked, i
> > replaced the coil, distributor rotor, and the spark wires and plugs
> > and it still wont start. I also changed the distributor cap cause the
> > points were worn. if someone could please tell me the next step and
> > please tell me how to check the computer, i get one red light flash
> > when i turn on the battery but i don't know how to make it give me a
> > code

>
> The Check Engine light is yellow, not red. It should come on for two
> seconds when the key is first turned to "II", then it should go off and
> remain off.
>
> When you crank and the car refuses to start, does the tach needle jiggle
> just the tiniest bit, or is it dead still?
>
> To retrieve ECU codes, you short the gray two-pin Service Check connector
> behind the top of the passenger kick panel (use a paper clip), peel the
> carpet back from the front of the passenger footwell to expose the ECU,
> turn the ignition to "II", then count the blinks from the red LED in the
> face of the ECU.
>
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> Tegger
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no, the tach doesn't move at all when it turns over
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Old 13 Aug 2008, 04:47 pm
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jmmcnm@gmail.com wrote in
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> On Aug 13, 4:18*am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> jmm...@gmail.com wrote in news:f3354514-eafc-41db-b5e0-
>> ddeaaa2c1...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Yesterday i tried to start my 91 Acura Integra and it wouldn't
>> > start, i opened up the distributor cap and saw that the coil was
>> > cracked, i replaced the coil, distributor rotor, and the spark
>> > wires and plugs and it still wont start. I also changed the
>> > distributor cap cause the points were worn. if someone could please
>> > tell me the next step and please tell me how to check the computer,
>> > i get one red light flash when i turn on the battery but i don't
>> > know how to make it give me a code

>>
>>
>> The Check Engine light is yellow, not red. It should come on for two
>> seconds when the key is first turned to "II", then it should go off
>> and remain off.
>>
>> When you crank and the car refuses to start, does the tach needle
>> jiggle just the tiniest bit, or is it dead still?
>>
>> To retrieve ECU codes, you short the gray two-pin Service Check
>> connector behind the top of the passenger kick panel (use a paper
>> clip), peel the carpet back from the front of the passenger footwell
>> to expose the ECU, turn the ignition to "II", then count the blinks
>> from the red LED in the face of the ECU.
>>
>>

>
>
> no, the tach doesn't move at all when it turns over
>




Does the Check Engine light behave EXACTLY as per what I outlined above? Or
does it remain on all the time? Or does it never light up at all?

Have you queried the ECU for codes?

Right now it appears your igniter is dead, but that depends on the behavior
of the Check Engine light.



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Old 13 Aug 2008, 08:24 pm
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I've changed the ignitor and it still will not start up

The ECU only gives the initial LED flash and when i trip it there is
no code. The check engine light acts as you mentioned above.

I'm trying to avoid changing the timing belt and the only thing i can
think of besides that is the relay

ty for the help
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Old 13 Aug 2008, 08:49 pm
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jmmcnm@gmail.com wrote in news:1fe13214-24a0-4032-adb8-
e9b408b6746b@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

>
>
> I've changed the ignitor and it still will not start up




When did you change the igniter? And was it OEM or aftermarket?



>
> The ECU only gives the initial LED flash and when i trip it there is
> no code.



So when you short the Service Check connector there are no flashes from the
ECU's LED?



> The check engine light acts as you mentioned above.



Good...


>
> I'm trying to avoid changing the timing belt



What has that got to do with anything? Do you suspect it's slipped? how old
is it? Is it aftermarket also?



> and the only thing i can
> think of besides that is the relay
>



All right. Let's be logical here.

Measuring at the igniter terminals...

With the key turned to "II", do you see battery voltage from the white/blue
wire to a body ground?

With the key turned to "II", do you see battery voltage from the
black/yellow wire to a body ground?



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Old 13 Aug 2008, 08:57 pm
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there are no aftermarket parts on the car but it is a v-tec engine and
it has about 170k miles. I do not think the timing belt has ever been
changed but that is just a guess

i will check the voltage tomorrow, it is dark outside now
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Old 13 Aug 2008, 09:09 pm
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jmmcnm@gmail.com wrote in news:7fa4fee1-f460-42b6-93d5-
97cf9773b88b@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:

>
>
> there are no aftermarket parts on the car but it is a v-tec engine




Ohhh....

A replacement engine...

And one not compatible with the car's original engine controls...

Bad, bad juju...



> and
> it has about 170k miles. I do not think the timing belt has ever been
> changed but that is just a guess




I'll bet. In this case, _everything_ might be a guess.



>
> i will check the voltage tomorrow, it is dark outside now




It may forevermore be dark unless you provide much more precise details of
the drivetrain's provenance.

You cannot simply change parts like underwear and expect things to work
properly.



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Old 14 Aug 2008, 04:56 pm
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ok, there is no spark... next step?
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Old 14 Aug 2008, 05:53 pm
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jmmcnm@gmail.com wrote in news:0eeb168a-1890-407e-ae5a-689749da54f9
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> ok, there is no spark... next step?




You're not checking for spark, you're checking for battery voltage,
or about 12.65V.

I repeat below part of an earlier post of mine, which you evidently failed
to read in its entirety:

Measuring at the igniter terminals...

With the key turned to "II", do you see battery voltage from the white/blue
wire to a body ground?

With the key turned to "II", do you see battery voltage from the
black/yellow wire to a body ground?


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