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Old 08 Dec 2007, 11:45 am
大漢民族
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Default Timing belt Time belt

I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
material that lasts for life time of the car.

Another puzzle bothers me is that in my younger days with old American
made cars, there is no such thing as timing belt, we called timing
chain, and the chain lasted for life time of the car. (surely there are
few occasions that the timing chain failed, but I am sure there is no
maintenance requirement for replacing timing chain every nnnnnn miles).
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Old 08 Dec 2007, 12:09 pm
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Default Re: Timing belt Time belt

大漢民族 wrote:
> I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
> Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
> why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
> material that lasts for life time of the car.
>
> Another puzzle bothers me is that in my younger days with old American
> made cars, there is no such thing as timing belt, we called timing
> chain, and the chain lasted for life time of the car. (surely there are
> few occasions that the timing chain failed, but I am sure there is no
> maintenance requirement for replacing timing chain every nnnnnn miles).


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What's your question?

'Curly'
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Old 08 Dec 2007, 12:18 pm
大漢民族
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Default Re: Timing belt Time belt

motsco_ 提到:
> 大漢民族 wrote:
>> I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
>> Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
>> why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
>> material that lasts for life time of the car.
>>
>> Another puzzle bothers me is that in my younger days with old American
>> made cars, there is no such thing as timing belt, we called timing
>> chain, and the chain lasted for life time of the car. (surely there are
>> few occasions that the timing chain failed, but I am sure there is no
>> maintenance requirement for replacing timing chain every nnnnnn miles).

>
> ---------------------
>
> What's your question?
>
> 'Curly'


why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
for life time of the car?
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Old 08 Dec 2007, 12:47 pm
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Default Re: Timing belt Time belt

Waiving the right to remain silent, motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> said:

> 毠坍噩齌 wrote:
>> I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
>> Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
>> why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
>> material that lasts for life time of the car.
>>
>> Another puzzle bothers me is that in my younger days with old American
>> made cars, there is no such thing as timing belt, we called timing
>> chain, and the chain lasted for life time of the car. (surely there are
>> few occasions that the timing chain failed, but I am sure there is no
>> maintenance requirement for replacing timing chain every nnnnnn miles).

>
> ---------------------
>
> What's your question?


Read the end of his first paragraph.

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Old 08 Dec 2007, 02:12 pm
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Default Re: Timing belt Time belt

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:18:04 GMT, ?j?~???? <myemail@yahoo.com> wrote:

>motsco_ ????:
>> ?j?~???? wrote:
>>> I am surprised by the Timing belt business, all Honda cars, including
>>> Acura, need timing belt replacement near 80,000 miles, I am wondering
>>> why the ^%$# manufacturers don't want to make the belt with better
>>> material that lasts for life time of the car.
>>>
>>> Another puzzle bothers me is that in my younger days with old American
>>> made cars, there is no such thing as timing belt, we called timing
>>> chain, and the chain lasted for life time of the car. (surely there are
>>> few occasions that the timing chain failed, but I am sure there is no
>>> maintenance requirement for replacing timing chain every nnnnnn miles).

>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> What's your question?
>>
>> 'Curly'

>
>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>for life time of the car?


The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
do you think would work better?
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Old 08 Dec 2007, 03:05 pm
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0600, Gordon McGrew
<gmcgrew@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>
>>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>>for life time of the car?

>
>The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>do you think would work better?


How about numerous short metal pieces, joined together with flexible
links? You could even make the metal pieces with an opening in them,
so that a toothed metal wheel of some sort could engage the openings
and turn or be turned by a loop or belt made of such joined links.

I'll bet something like that would last longer than ones made of
rubber and Kevlar.
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Old 09 Dec 2007, 09:04 am
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Dean Dark <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote in
news:s41ml3la408rfogf7764mfp62emi2bfspu@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0600, Gordon McGrew
> <gmcgrew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>>>for life time of the car?

>>
>>The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>>do you think would work better?

>
> How about numerous short metal pieces, joined together with flexible
> links? You could even make the metal pieces with an opening in them,
> so that a toothed metal wheel of some sort could engage the openings
> and turn or be turned by a loop or belt made of such joined links.
>
> I'll bet something like that would last longer than ones made of
> rubber and Kevlar.




You could even give such a contraption a fancy new name, like "chain" for
example.

In fact, that's exactly what many of the newest Hondas have...


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Old 09 Dec 2007, 09:23 am
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:04:06 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
wrote:

>You could even give such a contraption a fancy new name, like "chain" for
>example.


Damn. Can't a man even fish in peace these days?
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Old 09 Dec 2007, 09:25 am
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:05:41 -0500, Dean Dark
<ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0600, Gordon McGrew
><gmcgrew@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>why can not fabricate the timing belt with better material that lasts
>>>for life time of the car?

>>
>>The belts are made with high quality rubber and Kevlar. What material
>>do you think would work better?

>
>How about numerous short metal pieces, joined together with flexible
>links? You could even make the metal pieces with an opening in them,
>so that a toothed metal wheel of some sort could engage the openings
>and turn or be turned by a loop or belt made of such joined links.
>
>I'll bet something like that would last longer than ones made of
>rubber and Kevlar.


The original Saturns used such a system with disastrous results. Not
that it can't be made to work, but as is often the case, the
engineering details trump the generalities of the solution.

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Old 09 Dec 2007, 11:29 am
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Dean Dark <ddrake@comcast.notthis.net> wrote in
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> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:04:06 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m>
> wrote:
>
>>You could even give such a contraption a fancy new name, like "chain"
>>for example.

>
> Damn. Can't a man even fish in peace these days?




I hear dynamite is an effective fishing tool.

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