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Original owner. Would start everytime in the first millisecond. Couple
of times in recent weeks it was hard to start. Plenty of batt and
cranking power. I haven't checked to see spark yet. Started just great
this morn. Sound like anything generic? Burns no oil ever and gets
33mpg on hwy. Cheers

"finding z0" <jsk2@excite.com> wrote in
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> Original owner. Would start everytime in the first millisecond. Couple
> of times in recent weeks it was hard to start. Plenty of batt and
> cranking power. I haven't checked to see spark yet. Started just great
> this morn. Sound like anything generic? Burns no oil ever and gets
> 33mpg on hwy. Cheers
>
>

Main relay? starts,then dies quickly,worse in hot weather,then cranks but
won't start?

www.tegger.com


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"finding z0" <jsk2@excite.com> wrote in news:1160759355.060673.77510
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Original owner. Would start everytime in the first millisecond. Couple
> of times in recent weeks it was hard to start. Plenty of batt and
> cranking power. I haven't checked to see spark yet. Started just great
> this morn. Sound like anything generic? Burns no oil ever and gets
> 33mpg on hwy. Cheers
>



"Hard to start". Too vague.

Please, more detail. How "hard"? "Hard" in what way?

Please give some repair/maintenance history of the car, including mileage.

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150K.
Cranks vigorously but doesn't ignite. eventually starts (2X). No engine
work ever, original plugs. oil changes and filters mainly. new problem.
If you were clairvoyant Tegger, you could have gleaned this from my
original, but spare, post...lol....
My guess might be either no spark or no gas getting to spark. Runs
normal once started.
I'm playing with a recently acquired, restored, '81 Yamaha xs650 twin
thumper. I already smell of gas. Don't need no more stinkin'
problems....


TeGGeR® wrote:
> "finding z0" <jsk2@excite.com> wrote in news:1160759355.060673.77510
> @k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Original owner. Would start everytime in the first millisecond. Couple
> > of times in recent weeks it was hard to start. Plenty of batt and
> > cranking power. I haven't checked to see spark yet. Started just great
> > this morn. Sound like anything generic? Burns no oil ever and gets
> > 33mpg on hwy. Cheers
> >
>
>
>
> "Hard to start". Too vague.
>
> Please, more detail. How "hard"? "Hard" in what way?
>
> Please give some repair/maintenance history of the car, including mileage.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

"finding z0" <jsk2@excite.com> wrote in
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<snip>


> 150K.
> Cranks vigorously but doesn't ignite. eventually starts (2X). No
> engine work ever, original plugs. oil changes and filters mainly.




You detail some *considerable* evidence of neglect. Very bad.



> If you were clairvoyant Tegger, you could have gleaned this
> from my original, but spare, post...lol....
> My guess might be either no spark or no gas getting to spark. Runs
> normal once started.



Right now I suspect poor spark.
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...tml#checkspark

Tell me what you observe.



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finding z0 wrote:
>
> Original owner. Would start everytime in the first millisecond. Couple
> of times in recent weeks it was hard to start. Plenty of batt and
> cranking power. I haven't checked to see spark yet. Started just great
> this morn. Sound like anything generic? Burns no oil ever and gets
> 33mpg on hwy. Cheers


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If it _only_ happens after sitting overnight, or especially on Monday
morning, it's just a dribbling injector. Follow the Owner's Manual
chapter about starting a FLOODED ENGINE. Hold the pedal hard to the
floor and crank it for up to 15 seconds at a time. It will start with a
puff of black smoke and lots of sputtering. You need to clean you
injectors with injector cleaner and possibly a tank of Gasohol.

'Curly'

TeGGeR® wrote:
> You detail some *considerable* evidence of neglect. Very bad.

>
> Tell me what you observe.

> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
judge not l'est yee be judged....

If by neglect you mean never changing the plugs, I think at about 100K
when I had the baby in for something it needed (brakes?) I wondered
about changing the plugs as they might be frozen, and the service
manager talked me out of it. With 3 vehicles to maintain (2001 Prelude,
81 Yamaha XS650, '91 Integra) the squawky one gets the attention....
Thanks for the ref's
Why not pull the plug out of the engine and use that to check for
spark? That's what I was planning to do if i get the time/energy. She's
been starting right up again. I heard someone ask the Car Guys (NPR)
about an intermittent starting problem like mine on an Accord. They
said to check the fuel relay under the dash. I might look there after
the spartk test.

'Curly Q. Links' wrote:

>
> If it _only_ happens after sitting overnight, or especially on Monday
> morning, it's just a dribbling injector. Follow the Owner's Manual
> chapter about starting a FLOODED ENGINE. Hold the pedal hard to the
> floor and crank it for up to 15 seconds at a time. It will start with a
> puff of black smoke and lots of sputtering. You need to clean you
> injectors with injector cleaner and possibly a tank of Gasohol.
>
> 'Curly'
Decided to pull a plug and crank for spark. Wow! How long have plugs
been that deep into a hole, and what the hell do I need to buy to get
them out? Ye olde spark plug wrench weren't gonna do it....The hole
looked pretty clean considering they've been untouched for 15yrs/150K
miles.

"finding z0" <jsk2@excite.com> wrote in
news:1161280463.908528.63440@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com:

>
> 'Curly Q. Links' wrote:
>
>>
>> If it _only_ happens after sitting overnight, or especially on Monday
>> morning, it's just a dribbling injector. Follow the Owner's Manual
>> chapter about starting a FLOODED ENGINE. Hold the pedal hard to the
>> floor and crank it for up to 15 seconds at a time. It will start with a
>> puff of black smoke and lots of sputtering. You need to clean you
>> injectors with injector cleaner and possibly a tank of Gasohol.
>>
>> 'Curly'
> Decided to pull a plug and crank for spark. Wow! How long have plugs
> been that deep into a hole, and what the hell do I need to buy to get
> them out? Ye olde spark plug wrench weren't gonna do it....The hole
> looked pretty clean considering they've been untouched for 15yrs/150K
> miles.
>
>

DOHC engine? that's normal.
The plugs fit in between the Overhead cams and valvetrain.

Use a socket extension with your 3/8" drive spark plug socket.I hope you
don't strip out the plug threads in the aluminum head.(after leaving them
in for so long)
Use hi-temp anti-seize compound when installing the new ones.Be careful
starting them in the threads.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:
> "finding z0" <jsk2@excite.com> wrote in

>
> DOHC engine? that's normal.
> The plugs fit in between the Overhead cams and valvetrain.
>
> Use a socket extension with your 3/8" drive spark plug socket.I hope you
> don't strip out the plug threads in the aluminum head.(after leaving them
> in for so long)
> Use hi-temp anti-seize compound when installing the new ones.Be careful
> starting them in the threads.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net
I got sockets I got extensions what size socket for plug? None of mine
fit.