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Could someone please confirm for me if US sold TL's have Daytime
Running Lights.

I was investigating buying a buddy's car and bringing it to Canada, and
the DRL's would remove one issue.

Thank You,
Jerry

"Sierra" <fullerjr@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1159234332.562708.21720@m73g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com:

> Could someone please confirm for me if US sold TL's have Daytime
> Running Lights.


Nope. Canada only.

You can make your life a bit easier by asking American Honda for the
Certificate of Compliance for the particular VIN you want to buy.

See here for Canadian importation rules:
http://www.riv.ca/



>
> I was investigating buying a buddy's car and bringing it to Canada,
> and the DRL's would remove one issue.
>


It's not that hard to install them. Try here for an aftermarket solution
(probably the most popular one):
http://www.hamsar.com/home.htm

Once the car is past Customs and your provincial certification, most
provinces allow disconnection of the DRLs. I'd therefore try to install
it in as non-invasive a way as possible so as to allow removal if
desired.

I think only Nova Scotia requires DRLs to be connected all the time.
Other provinces only require them to be active during the
change-of-ownership safety inspection (if they have an inspection).

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I recently purchased a 2005 TL and installed this kit :
http://www.automotiveelectronicacces...aeapn480hd.htm

They're not mandatory in NY State, but I prefer the additional safety.

Since the US model has fog lights (they are next to the driving lights), I
used the fog lights as daytime running lights. With the resistor included
in the kit, the lights are not at full power and therefore will last longer.
I also installed an additional relay to shut them off when turning on the
driving lights. This way, I can use them as fog lights when needed, as they
were originally intended.


"Sierra" <fullerjr@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159234332.562708.21720@m73g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
> Could someone please confirm for me if US sold TL's have Daytime
> Running Lights.
>
> I was investigating buying a buddy's car and bringing it to Canada, and
> the DRL's would remove one issue.
>
> Thank You,
> Jerry
>

"Sierra" <fullerjr@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159234332.562708.21720@m73g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
> Could someone please confirm for me if US sold TL's have Daytime
> Running Lights.
>
> I was investigating buying a buddy's car and bringing it to Canada, and
> the DRL's would remove one issue.
>
Nope. That don't even have lights that automatically come on when dark

On 25 Sep 2006 18:32:12 -0700, "Sierra" <fullerjr@gmail.com> wrote:

>Could someone please confirm for me if US sold TL's have Daytime
>Running Lights.
>
>I was investigating buying a buddy's car and bringing it to Canada, and
>the DRL's would remove one issue.
>
>Thank You,
>Jerry


I am at the end ( I think) of the long road one must take to import a
car from the US.

Probably the most difficult document to get is a letter from the
manufacturer stating the car has been modified and conforms with all
applicable Canadian Vehicle Safety and Emission Standards. That may
cost you as little as $50.00 up to $7.500 and unfortunately you are
in the dealers hands. Without that letter and after paying the broker
($300.00) and import duty (6.5%) and fst (6.5% ?) , when you apply to
the federal government for "form 2" you may be told to send the car
back to the US immediately or be liable to severe ... ... bla..bla
bla....

Some of the costs are not related to the purchased value of the car,
like the brokerage fee $300.00, the $220 to the Canadian Government or
$440 if the work isn't done within a couple of months (RIV ) , $200
for the provincial inspection etc.

So, start by getting from AcuraCanada IN WRITING, confirmation that
the car can be modified to conform to Canadian Standards . Also get
the approximate cost for the job. After that is mostly money and lots
of it.

Remember that Canadian dealers don't like that cars can be imported
from any country at a lower price. You may be treated as a black
sheep.

As an example, a Mercedes 2004 500SL purchased in the US for $70.000
US will cost you about $105.000 can. Canadian dollar at 0.10 and
provincial tax at 7%)
The same car from Mercedes Canada may cost about $125.00 tax included.

That includes $5.1k (up to $7.5K for most 4 seats) .
Mercedes, requires $ 200.00 for the first estimate and another $500.00
to verify that the work, they did, was properly done. Obviously a
money grabbing scheme.

A friend of mine imported at Lexus and had no problems.
I don't know about Acura but the procedure is the same.


John

John <x@> wrote in news:c8hai2h1rirb5hgtt8ff0aljql2kt4b2cp@4ax.com:


>
> I am at the end ( I think) of the long road one must take to import a
> car from the US.
>
> Probably the most difficult document to get is a letter from the
> manufacturer stating the car has been modified and conforms with all
> applicable Canadian Vehicle Safety and Emission Standards. That may
> cost you as little as $50.00 up to $7.500 and unfortunately you are
> in the dealers hands. Without that letter and after paying the broker
> ($300.00) and import duty (6.5%) and fst (6.5% ?) ,


<snip good information>


Excellent points made here!

The only thing I'd point out is that the 6.5% import duty does not apply if
the car was made in a country which is part of NAFTA.

The easiest way to import a car from either side of the border to the other
is to make sure the car is a pre-'68. Almost no paperwork or certification
needed in that case.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:06:59 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m>
wrote:

>John <x@> wrote in news:c8hai2h1rirb5hgtt8ff0aljql2kt4b2cp@4ax.com:
>
>
>>
>> I am at the end ( I think) of the long road one must take to import a
>> car from the US.
>>
>> Probably the most difficult document to get is a letter from the
>> manufacturer stating the car has been modified and conforms with all
>> applicable Canadian Vehicle Safety and Emission Standards. That may
>> cost you as little as $50.00 up to $7.500 and unfortunately you are
>> in the dealers hands. Without that letter and after paying the broker
>> ($300.00) and import duty (6.5%) and fst (6.5% ?) ,
>
>
><snip good information>
>
>
>Excellent points made here!
>
>The only thing I'd point out is that the 6.5% import duty does not apply if
>the car was made in a country which is part of NAFTA.

I believe that means USA, Canada and Mexico
But, like Mercedes, they are not allowed to sell a new to car to a
Canadian resident.

>The easiest way to import a car from either side of the border to the other
>is to make sure the car is a pre-'68. Almost no paperwork or certification
>needed in that case.

Correct

One more thing :
I don't know if Acura gives free maintenance during the warranty
period like Mercedes and other manufactures.
You also lose that but the main warranty remains valid.

John

John <x@> wrote in news:gitai2tkql8ikvivv2m42uachgv6mqd6cf@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:06:59 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m>
> wrote:
>
>>John <x@> wrote in news:c8hai2h1rirb5hgtt8ff0aljql2kt4b2cp@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I am at the end ( I think) of the long road one must take to import
>>> a car from the US.
>>>
>>> Probably the most difficult document to get is a letter from the
>>> manufacturer stating the car has been modified and conforms with all
>>> applicable Canadian Vehicle Safety and Emission Standards. That may
>>> cost you as little as $50.00 up to $7.500 and unfortunately you are
>>> in the dealers hands. Without that letter and after paying the
>>> broker ($300.00) and import duty (6.5%) and fst (6.5% ?) ,
>>
>>
>><snip good information>
>>
>>
>>Excellent points made here!
>>
>>The only thing I'd point out is that the 6.5% import duty does not
>>apply if the car was made in a country which is part of NAFTA.
>
> I believe that means USA, Canada and Mexico



Yes. As far as I know, those three are the only signatories to NAFTA.



> But, like Mercedes, they are not allowed to sell a new to car to a
> Canadian resident.



Sort of. There is no specific prohibition, but Honda's notices to
dealers say basically this: "We'd really really rather you NOT sell to
<whatever threat might exist depending on currency fluctuations>. If you
do, <dire warning here!> you run the risk of losing your franchise!"

Personally, I don't know of any dealer that's actually lost his
franchise for selling to the dark side.




--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR® wrote:
> John <x@> wrote in news:gitai2tkql8ikvivv2m42uachgv6mqd6cf@4ax.com:
>
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:06:59 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>John <x@> wrote in news:c8hai2h1rirb5hgtt8ff0aljql2kt4b2cp@4ax.com:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I am at the end ( I think) of the long road one must take to import
> >>> a car from the US.
> >>>
> >>> Probably the most difficult document to get is a letter from the
> >>> manufacturer stating the car has been modified and conforms with all
> >>> applicable Canadian Vehicle Safety and Emission Standards. That may
> >>> cost you as little as $50.00 up to $7.500 and unfortunately you are
> >>> in the dealers hands. Without that letter and after paying the
> >>> broker ($300.00) and import duty (6.5%) and fst (6.5% ?) ,
> >>

Thanks for all the info. I am actually quite familiar with the
importation rule, given this would be my third car crossing the border.
Brokerage fees??? why. It's not hard. And duty, well that's why I
was looking at a TL, as it's built in Ohio. No duty. And at least
with my two Miata's getting a manufacturer letter stating the
conformance, and the up to date recalls is not too hard. Sure, you have
to pay GST, the $200 fed fee, and $100 Excise tax, but it would still
save me over $5K.

But this brought up the other good question... would Acura Canada honor
the US warranty? I figured I'd get this in writing from Acura, but I
would buy a used car so I wouldn't violate any dealer rules with their
supplier.

Thanks again for all the good info.

J.
> >>
> >><snip good information>
> >>
> >>
> >>Excellent points made here!
> >>
> >>The only thing I'd point out is that the 6.5% import duty does not
> >>apply if the car was made in a country which is part of NAFTA.
> >
> > I believe that means USA, Canada and Mexico
>
>
>
> Yes. As far as I know, those three are the only signatories to NAFTA.
>
>
>
> > But, like Mercedes, they are not allowed to sell a new to car to a
> > Canadian resident.
>
>
>
> Sort of. There is no specific prohibition, but Honda's notices to
> dealers say basically this: "We'd really really rather you NOT sell to
> <whatever threat might exist depending on currency fluctuations>. If you
> do, <dire warning here!> you run the risk of losing your franchise!"
>
> Personally, I don't know of any dealer that's actually lost his
> franchise for selling to the dark side.
>
>
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

On 7 Oct 2006 18:50:34 -0700, "Sierra" <fullerjr@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> John <x@> wrote in news:gitai2tkql8ikvivv2m42uachgv6mqd6cf@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:06:59 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>John <x@> wrote in news:c8hai2h1rirb5hgtt8ff0aljql2kt4b2cp@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I am at the end ( I think) of the long road one must take to import
>> >>> a car from the US.
>> >>>
>> >>> Probably the most difficult document to get is a letter from the
>> >>> manufacturer stating the car has been modified and conforms with all
>> >>> applicable Canadian Vehicle Safety and Emission Standards. That may
>> >>> cost you as little as $50.00 up to $7.500 and unfortunately you are
>> >>> in the dealers hands. Without that letter and after paying the
>> >>> broker ($300.00) and import duty (6.5%) and fst (6.5% ?) ,
>> >>
>
>Thanks for all the info. I am actually quite familiar with the
>importation rule, given this would be my third car crossing the border.
> Brokerage fees??? why. It's not hard. And duty, well that's why I
>was looking at a TL, as it's built in Ohio. No duty. And at least
>with my two Miata's getting a manufacturer letter stating the
>conformance, and the up to date recalls is not too hard. Sure, you have
>to pay GST, the $200 fed fee, and $100 Excise tax, but it would still
>save me over $5K.
>
>But this brought up the other good question... would Acura Canada honor
>the US warranty? I figured I'd get this in writing from Acura, but I
>would buy a used car so I wouldn't violate any dealer rules with their
>supplier.
>
Mercedes Canada is probably the most difficult manufacturer to
negotiate with.
$200.00 to give you an estimate and $500.00 to inspect the work they
did !!!
The Canadian law reads that a sticker on the dash indicating that the
speedometer indicates miles is sufficient.Not good for Mercedes ,
they replace the complete console ( about $1.8k ) and they will not
give me the replaced one. They gave me an old one from a different
model . They can't find the one they removed !!! I am going to take
them to the small claims court for that.

Regarding the Federal inspection, The first letter from the government
indicates Canadian Tire as the place to go to.
Later they sent me another letter with about a couple of hundred
places excluding Canadian Tire. The cost is about $80.00
I went to Canadian Tire and asked if they are qualified to do the
inspection and they reply yes and the cost was zero. They sad " you
already paid $25.00 at the border for that.

Mercedes US sent me a letter stating that the warranty is valid until
2008

This is a constant fight but I saved between 20 and 30k
My car look's and drives like new but I really prefer driving my
little 91 Integra.


Keep us informed.


John



>Thanks again for all the good info.
>
>J.
>> >>
>> >><snip good information>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Excellent points made here!
>> >>
>> >>The only thing I'd point out is that the 6.5% import duty does not
>> >>apply if the car was made in a country which is part of NAFTA.
>> >
>> > I believe that means USA, Canada and Mexico
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. As far as I know, those three are the only signatories to NAFTA.
>>
>>
>>
>> > But, like Mercedes, they are not allowed to sell a new to car to a
>> > Canadian resident.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sort of. There is no specific prohibition, but Honda's notices to
>> dealers say basically this: "We'd really really rather you NOT sell to
>> <whatever threat might exist depending on currency fluctuations>. If you
>> do, <dire warning here!> you run the risk of losing your franchise!"
>>
>> Personally, I don't know of any dealer that's actually lost his
>> franchise for selling to the dark side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/