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Old 26 Mar 2006, 05:13 pm
oskiller
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Default 93 Legend starting problem

Never seen this before.

I try to start the car, it turns over fine, seems to catch, the engine
does the normal rev to 1000-1500 or so, then it drops off and dies.
Did this to me about 15 times. Put it in neutral, started, slighty
pressed gas with foot on brake and put into drive after turning over
and it ran fine. Came home, let it sit running for a bit (sounds a
little off, but I can't say for sure if it is or if I just think it
is). Turned it off and waited a couple of minutes and tried again and
it started fine. Will let it sit a bit longer and see if it starts.

Starter? Alternator? Any ideas???
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Old 26 Mar 2006, 07:55 pm
Jim Yanik
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oskiller <oskiller@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:i84e2251tkalpm7uven62m1t2r0ovrvhie@4ax.com:

> Never seen this before.
>
> I try to start the car, it turns over fine, seems to catch, the engine
> does the normal rev to 1000-1500 or so, then it drops off and dies.
> Did this to me about 15 times. Put it in neutral, started, slighty
> pressed gas with foot on brake and put into drive after turning over
> and it ran fine. Came home, let it sit running for a bit (sounds a
> little off, but I can't say for sure if it is or if I just think it
> is). Turned it off and waited a couple of minutes and tried again and
> it started fine. Will let it sit a bit longer and see if it starts.
>
> Starter? Alternator? Any ideas???
>


Main relay? Acuras and Hondas have a common problem with the main relay
that energizes the fuel pump that keeps the fuel rail pressurized. (car
starts then runs out of fuel)
The relay has cracks on solder joints inside;BUT it can be opened up and
the joints resoldered,OR you can buy a new relay for $50 or more.
Usually,the relay is located in the footwell under the dash on the drivers
side.

It gets worse on hot days.

http://www.marklamond.co.uk/howto/el...main-relay.htm

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Old 27 Mar 2006, 07:57 am
Michael Pardee
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Default Re: 93 Legend starting problem

As Jim says, sounds like the main relay. See also
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/faq.html#startrun


"oskiller" <oskiller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Never seen this before.
>
> I try to start the car, it turns over fine, seems to catch, the engine
> does the normal rev to 1000-1500 or so, then it drops off and dies.
> Did this to me about 15 times. Put it in neutral, started, slighty
> pressed gas with foot on brake and put into drive after turning over
> and it ran fine. Came home, let it sit running for a bit (sounds a
> little off, but I can't say for sure if it is or if I just think it
> is). Turned it off and waited a couple of minutes and tried again and
> it started fine. Will let it sit a bit longer and see if it starts.
>
> Starter? Alternator? Any ideas???



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Old 27 Mar 2006, 08:46 am
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oskiller <oskiller@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:i84e2251tkalpm7uven62m1t2r0ovrvhie@4ax.com:

> Never seen this before.
>
> I try to start the car, it turns over fine, seems to catch, the engine
> does the normal rev to 1000-1500 or so, then it drops off and dies.
> Did this to me about 15 times. Put it in neutral, started, slighty
> pressed gas with foot on brake and put into drive after turning over
> and it ran fine. Came home, let it sit running for a bit (sounds a
> little off, but I can't say for sure if it is or if I just think it
> is). Turned it off and waited a couple of minutes and tried again and
> it started fine. Will let it sit a bit longer and see if it starts.
>
> Starter? Alternator? Any ideas???





CLASSIC Main Relay problem!!! The #1 way they fail.


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Old 27 Mar 2006, 08:48 am
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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> oskiller <oskiller@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:i84e2251tkalpm7uven62m1t2r0ovrvhie@4ax.com:
>
>> Never seen this before.
>>
>> I try to start the car, it turns over fine, seems to catch, the engine
>> does the normal rev to 1000-1500 or so, then it drops off and dies.
>> Did this to me about 15 times. Put it in neutral, started, slighty
>> pressed gas with foot on brake and put into drive after turning over
>> and it ran fine. Came home, let it sit running for a bit (sounds a
>> little off, but I can't say for sure if it is or if I just think it
>> is). Turned it off and waited a couple of minutes and tried again and
>> it started fine. Will let it sit a bit longer and see if it starts.
>>
>> Starter? Alternator? Any ideas???

>
>
>
>
> CLASSIC Main Relay problem!!! The #1 way they fail.
>
>




Should include a refernce:
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...ml#start-stall

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Old 27 Mar 2006, 05:27 pm
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Default Re: 93 Legend starting problem

They diagnosed it as the ignition switch. Have one on order and we'll
see what happens after they replace it.

If I still have a problem, I'll go for the main relay next.

Thanks for the advice gang.


On 27 Mar 2006 13:48:22 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

>"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
>news:Xns9793595F4A700tegger@207.14.113.17:
>
>> oskiller <oskiller@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:i84e2251tkalpm7uven62m1t2r0ovrvhie@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Never seen this before.
>>>
>>> I try to start the car, it turns over fine, seems to catch, the engine
>>> does the normal rev to 1000-1500 or so, then it drops off and dies.
>>> Did this to me about 15 times. Put it in neutral, started, slighty
>>> pressed gas with foot on brake and put into drive after turning over
>>> and it ran fine. Came home, let it sit running for a bit (sounds a
>>> little off, but I can't say for sure if it is or if I just think it
>>> is). Turned it off and waited a couple of minutes and tried again and
>>> it started fine. Will let it sit a bit longer and see if it starts.
>>>
>>> Starter? Alternator? Any ideas???

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> CLASSIC Main Relay problem!!! The #1 way they fail.
>>
>>

>
>
>
>Should include a refernce:
>http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...ml#start-stall


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Old 27 Mar 2006, 07:36 pm
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oskiller <oskiller@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> They diagnosed it as the ignition switch. Have one on order and we'll
> see what happens after they replace it.
>
> If I still have a problem, I'll go for the main relay next.


NOTE;it's cheaper (and easier)to resolder the main relay than to replace an
ignition switch.

You could have it done in an hour's time.

Then you can eliminate it as a trouble source,maybe even find you really
don't need an ignition switch.

I note that repair places like to replace parts(at YOUR expense,until they
find the problem) rather than fix them.

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Old 27 Mar 2006, 11:39 pm
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9793C7F7FAE79jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85.. .
> oskiller <oskiller@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:9vmg22tkgq4tlp1f4gi19mj63cqmrsd4g3@4ax.com:
>
>> They diagnosed it as the ignition switch. Have one on order and we'll
>> see what happens after they replace it.
>>
>> If I still have a problem, I'll go for the main relay next.

>
> NOTE;it's cheaper (and easier)to resolder the main relay than to replace
> an
> ignition switch.
>
> You could have it done in an hour's time.
>
> Then you can eliminate it as a trouble source,maybe even find you really
> don't need an ignition switch.
>
> I note that repair places like to replace parts(at YOUR expense,until they
> find the problem) rather than fix them.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik


Of course, part of the problem is that the ignition switch is also a known
weak spot in some years. However, the symptoms fit the main relay much
better than they do the ignition switch.

Mike


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Old 28 Mar 2006, 05:24 am
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote

> Of course, part of the problem is that the ignition switch is also a known
> weak spot in some years. However, the symptoms fit the main relay much
> better than they do the ignition switch.


I'll bet most likely it's the ignition switch. The OP left out one crucial info. If
the dash lights went out when it died it's the ignition switch.







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Old 28 Mar 2006, 12:25 pm
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"Burt" <burtsquareman@none.com> wrote in
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> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote
>
>> Of course, part of the problem is that the ignition switch is also a
>> known weak spot in some years. However, the symptoms fit the main
>> relay much better than they do the ignition switch.

>
> I'll bet most likely it's the ignition switch. The OP left out one
> crucial info. If the dash lights went out when it died it's the
> ignition switch.
>



Of course,all one has to do is resolder the relay and ELIMINATE it as a
source of trouble. No need to BUY any parts.

If that fixes it,the switch parts order can be cancelled.

THEN,if the ignition switch is bad,the problem will still exist,and a
switch can be BOUGHT and installed.

Wouldn't it be smarter to tackle the easier and cheaper tasks first?
That's the point I was trying to make.

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