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Old 08 Mar 2006, 05:40 pm
Frank
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Default Fuel System Flush

Ok y'all,

I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20) and
the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I needed a
"fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K Km
(18kmiles). Well, I refused as the own
wer book says nothing of such flushes.

He also suggested a engine oil flush.

Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.

Your thoughts?

Spec:
Acura RSX 2004
Mileage: 29,000 KM (22K miles)
Synthethic Oil - Castrol Syntec since 20,000 KM, prior to this
mileage, I used semi synthetic oil(weight 5-20)
Oil Intervals: 8,000 KM (6000 miles-ish)
Live in Ottawa (gets cold up here) - Using severe maintenance
schedule followed
Easy driving style
25 KM trips in stop and go traffics

Thanks!


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Old 08 Mar 2006, 06:10 pm
TeGGeR®
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"Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> wrote in news:440f6b24@usenet.zapto.org:

> Ok y'all,
>
> I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20) and
> the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I needed a
> "fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K Km
> (18kmiles).





That's 15K miles, not 18. Get a Metric calculator if you aren't bilingual
for measurements.

And on an '04 it's the last thing you need. Keep your gas tank as full as
possible and take it out on the highway for an hour or so every month, then
leave it alone.

Jelly Lube is the *last* place you want to go to for advice on auto
maintenance. I prefer to get my car serviced at places where the employees'
knuckles don't reach the ground.




> Well, I refused as the own
> wer book says nothing of such flushes.
>
> He also suggested a engine oil flush.




Rip off, *especially* in your case.



>
> Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
> nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Spec:
> Acura RSX 2004




Cool car. I love the looks.



> Mileage: 29,000 KM (22K miles)




That's 18K miles, not 22. Boy oh boy. I hope I don't have to correct you
again.



> Synthethic Oil - Castrol Syntec since 20,000 KM, prior to this
> mileage, I used semi synthetic oil(weight 5-20)
> Oil Intervals: 8,000 KM (6000 miles-ish)




Again! That's 5,000 miles. A bit long for your driving style, but
acceptable.



> Live in Ottawa (gets cold up here) - Using severe maintenance
> schedule followed
> Easy driving style
> 25 KM trips in stop and go traffics




That's 15 miles per trip. You should be giving the car a good hour's
highway run once a month to burn off water, gas and acids that collect in
your oil. At 15 miles per trip, your oil is likely never even getting close
to the magic 212F. (That's the boiling point of water. You can look up the
Metric equivalent.) ;^)



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Old 08 Mar 2006, 07:08 pm
Frank
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9780C38648CD4tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> wrote in
> news:440f6b24@usenet.zapto.org:
>
>> Ok y'all,
>>
>> I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20)
>> and
>> the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I
>> needed a
>> "fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K
>> Km
>> (18kmiles).

>
>
>
>
> That's 15K miles, not 18. Get a Metric calculator if you aren't
> bilingual
> for measurements.


I am bilingual... but not in measurements...I tried to convert
metric to the old system, but to be honest, I have **NO** idea of
how the old system actually worls. I am from that new generation
who says "half a pound? what's that??? Just give me 500 grams of
leam ham please"

> And on an '04 it's the last thing you need. Keep your gas tank
> as full as
> possible and take it out on the highway for an hour or so every
> month, then
> leave it alone.


Tank is seldom below 3/8 empty..

> Jelly Lube is the *last* place you want to go to for advice on
> auto
> maintenance. I prefer to get my car serviced at places where
> the employees'
> knuckles don't reach the ground.
>


Yea, you are right, of course, hence refusing their offers... but
one never knows

>> Well, I refused as the owner book says nothing of such
>> flushes.
>>
>> He also suggested a engine oil flush.

>
>
>
> Rip off, *especially* in your case.
>



>>
>> Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
>> nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> Spec:
>> Acura RSX 2004

>
>
>
> Cool car. I love the looks.


Thanks, a (early) mid life crisis thing... Wife was unexpectantly
amiable to this purchase! Carpe diem on this one.

>> Mileage: 29,000 KM (22K miles)

>
>
>
> That's 18K miles, not 22. Boy oh boy. I hope I don't have to
> correct you
> again.
>

Sorry again ;0

>> Synthethic Oil - Castrol Syntec since 20,000 KM, prior to this
>> mileage, I used semi synthetic oil(weight 5-20)
>> Oil Intervals: 8,000 KM (6000 miles-ish)

>
>
>
> Again! That's 5,000 miles. A bit long for your driving style,
> but
> acceptable.


The manual says about 8,000 km, but I have been trying to do less
(7000 km)

>
>> Live in Ottawa (gets cold up here) - Using severe maintenance
>> schedule followed
>> Easy driving style
>> 25 KM trips in stop and go traffics

>



> That's 15 miles per trip. You should be giving the car a good
> hour's
> highway run once a month to burn off water, gas and acids that
> collect in
> your oil. At 15 miles per trip, your oil is likely never even
> getting close
> to the magic 212F. (That's the boiling point of water. You can
> look up the
> Metric equivalent.) ;^)


212F (F??) Give me 100 c anytime!

Yea, I do MTL-OTT once a month. 2.5 hours each direction. Nice
road, nice classic rock music; So I guess I am fine on that
point - But I get the point: oil change interval should be
shorter if you do not do long trips...


> TeGGeR®


Teg, Is there *anytime* when these services are even useful for a
car? I do have an older Venture van with 100K km...


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Old 08 Mar 2006, 07:28 pm
michael t
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Default Re: Fuel System Flush

TeGGer is right Frank, it's important to give the car a good "blow" at least
once a month on the highway, in fact a couple of times a month would be
better.
Short range driving in stop/start conditions sure as hell aint good long
term.
He's also right about keeping the tank level high.
I think you should look elsewhere for servicing.

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9780C38648CD4tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> wrote in news:440f6b24@usenet.zapto.org:
>
>> Ok y'all,
>>
>> I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20) and
>> the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I needed a
>> "fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K Km
>> (18kmiles).

>
>
>
>
> That's 15K miles, not 18. Get a Metric calculator if you aren't bilingual
> for measurements.
>
> And on an '04 it's the last thing you need. Keep your gas tank as full as
> possible and take it out on the highway for an hour or so every month,
> then
> leave it alone.
>
> Jelly Lube is the *last* place you want to go to for advice on auto
> maintenance. I prefer to get my car serviced at places where the
> employees'
> knuckles don't reach the ground.
>
>
>
>
>> Well, I refused as the own
>> wer book says nothing of such flushes.
>>
>> He also suggested a engine oil flush.

>
>
>
> Rip off, *especially* in your case.
>
>
>
>>
>> Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
>> nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> Spec:
>> Acura RSX 2004

>
>
>
> Cool car. I love the looks.
>
>
>
>> Mileage: 29,000 KM (22K miles)

>
>
>
> That's 18K miles, not 22. Boy oh boy. I hope I don't have to correct you
> again.
>
>
>
>> Synthethic Oil - Castrol Syntec since 20,000 KM, prior to this
>> mileage, I used semi synthetic oil(weight 5-20)
>> Oil Intervals: 8,000 KM (6000 miles-ish)

>
>
>
> Again! That's 5,000 miles. A bit long for your driving style, but
> acceptable.
>
>
>
>> Live in Ottawa (gets cold up here) - Using severe maintenance
>> schedule followed
>> Easy driving style
>> 25 KM trips in stop and go traffics

>
>
>
> That's 15 miles per trip. You should be giving the car a good hour's
> highway run once a month to burn off water, gas and acids that collect in
> your oil. At 15 miles per trip, your oil is likely never even getting
> close
> to the magic 212F. (That's the boiling point of water. You can look up the
> Metric equivalent.) ;^)
>
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/



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Old 08 Mar 2006, 11:25 pm
Michael Pardee
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Default Re: Fuel System Flush

"Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:440f8edd@usenet.zapto.org...
>
> Teg, Is there *anytime* when these services are even useful for a car? I
> do have an older Venture van with 100K km...

IMHO, no.

Fuel system flushes are a case of using a cannon to kill a fly. As long as
the fuel filter is changed on schedule (or every couple years, if no formal
schedule) and you use fuel injector cleaner in the tank as needed, there is
nothing left to clean.

Oil flushes are more sinister. If you really have a sludge problem - like
http://tegger.com/hondafaq/sludge/index.html - the oil flush won't really
help you. As long as you have been changing your oil faithfully you won't
have a sludge problem. But an oil flush may very well create seal leaks, as
I learned the hard way when I was a callow youth.

Mike


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Old 09 Mar 2006, 12:40 am
John Smith
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Default Re: Fuel System Flush

Frank, why spend good money for a great car and try to save a few bucks,
Euros or whatever at the "quick lube"? I have a 2003 TL and it only goes
to dealer or a recommended private mechanic. I have a friend who had a
2004 TL-S, took it to quick lube. The tech didn't notice the seal that
didn't come off with the old filter and installed new filter and oil.
Friend picked up car, hit the freeway and punched the accelerator. All
the oil blew out of the engine, various pieces of metal broke, froze
etc. Now a month later he has the car back with a rebuilt engine after a
lot of unpleasantness, loss of use of the vehicle etc. The $16.95 oil
cgange was a real bargain...

Just my observation...John

Frank wrote:

> Ok y'all,
>
> I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20) and
> the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I needed a
> "fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K Km
> (18kmiles). Well, I refused as the own
> wer book says nothing of such flushes.
>
> He also suggested a engine oil flush.
>
> Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
> nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Spec:
> Acura RSX 2004
> Mileage: 29,000 KM (22K miles)
> Synthethic Oil - Castrol Syntec since 20,000 KM, prior to this
> mileage, I used semi synthetic oil(weight 5-20)
> Oil Intervals: 8,000 KM (6000 miles-ish)
> Live in Ottawa (gets cold up here) - Using severe maintenance
> schedule followed
> Easy driving style
> 25 KM trips in stop and go traffics
>
> Thanks!


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Old 09 Mar 2006, 08:55 am
E Meyer
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Default Re: Fuel System Flush

On 3/8/06 6:10 PM, in article Xns9780C38648CD4tegger@207.14.113.17,
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> "Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> wrote in news:440f6b24@usenet.zapto.org:
>
>> Ok y'all,
>>
>> I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20) and
>> the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I needed a
>> "fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K Km
>> (18kmiles).

>
>
>
>
> That's 15K miles, not 18. Get a Metric calculator if you aren't bilingual
> for measurements.
>
> And on an '04 it's the last thing you need. Keep your gas tank as full as
> possible and take it out on the highway for an hour or so every month, then
> leave it alone.
>
> Jelly Lube is the *last* place you want to go to for advice on auto
> maintenance. I prefer to get my car serviced at places where the employees'
> knuckles don't reach the ground.
>
>
>
>
>> Well, I refused as the own
>> wer book says nothing of such flushes.
>>
>> He also suggested a engine oil flush.

>
>
>
> Rip off, *especially* in your case.
>
>
>
>>
>> Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
>> nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> Spec:
>> Acura RSX 2004

>
>
>
> Cool car. I love the looks.
>
>
>
>> Mileage: 29,000 KM (22K miles)

>
>
>
> That's 18K miles, not 22. Boy oh boy. I hope I don't have to correct you
> again.
>
>


I get 22 when I do the calculation. Did kilometers somehow get shorter when
I wasn't looking?

>
>> Synthethic Oil - Castrol Syntec since 20,000 KM, prior to this
>> mileage, I used semi synthetic oil(weight 5-20)
>> Oil Intervals: 8,000 KM (6000 miles-ish)

>
>
>
> Again! That's 5,000 miles. A bit long for your driving style, but
> acceptable.
>
>
>
>> Live in Ottawa (gets cold up here) - Using severe maintenance
>> schedule followed
>> Easy driving style
>> 25 KM trips in stop and go traffics

>
>
>
> That's 15 miles per trip. You should be giving the car a good hour's
> highway run once a month to burn off water, gas and acids that collect in
> your oil. At 15 miles per trip, your oil is likely never even getting close
> to the magic 212F. (That's the boiling point of water. You can look up the
> Metric equivalent.) ;^)
>
>


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Old 09 Mar 2006, 10:01 am
E Meyer
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On 3/9/06 8:55 AM, in article C0359DF6.F1DD6%epmeyer50@msn.com, "E Meyer"
<epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote:

> On 3/8/06 6:10 PM, in article Xns9780C38648CD4tegger@207.14.113.17,
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> wrote in news:440f6b24@usenet.zapto.org:
>>
>>> Ok y'all,
>>>
>>> I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20) and
>>> the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I needed a
>>> "fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K Km
>>> (18kmiles).

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That's 15K miles, not 18. Get a Metric calculator if you aren't bilingual
>> for measurements.
>>
>> And on an '04 it's the last thing you need. Keep your gas tank as full as
>> possible and take it out on the highway for an hour or so every month, then
>> leave it alone.
>>
>> Jelly Lube is the *last* place you want to go to for advice on auto
>> maintenance. I prefer to get my car serviced at places where the employees'
>> knuckles don't reach the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well, I refused as the own
>>> wer book says nothing of such flushes.
>>>
>>> He also suggested a engine oil flush.

>>
>>
>>
>> Rip off, *especially* in your case.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
>>> nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.
>>>
>>> Your thoughts?
>>>
>>> Spec:
>>> Acura RSX 2004

>>
>>
>>
>> Cool car. I love the looks.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mileage: 29,000 KM (22K miles)

>>
>>
>>
>> That's 18K miles, not 22. Boy oh boy. I hope I don't have to correct you
>> again.
>>
>>

>
> I get 22 when I do the calculation. Did kilometers somehow get shorter when
> I wasn't looking?
>


Oops! Never mind. If you do the calculation upside down, you get 22.
Someday I'll learn to think first, then post...


>>
>>> Synthethic Oil - Castrol Syntec since 20,000 KM, prior to this
>>> mileage, I used semi synthetic oil(weight 5-20)
>>> Oil Intervals: 8,000 KM (6000 miles-ish)

>>
>>
>>
>> Again! That's 5,000 miles. A bit long for your driving style, but
>> acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Live in Ottawa (gets cold up here) - Using severe maintenance
>>> schedule followed
>>> Easy driving style
>>> 25 KM trips in stop and go traffics

>>
>>
>>
>> That's 15 miles per trip. You should be giving the car a good hour's
>> highway run once a month to burn off water, gas and acids that collect in
>> your oil. At 15 miles per trip, your oil is likely never even getting close
>> to the magic 212F. (That's the boiling point of water. You can look up the
>> Metric equivalent.) ;^)
>>
>>

>


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Old 09 Mar 2006, 01:58 pm
Alex Rodriguez
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In article <440f6b24@usenet.zapto.org>, NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com says...

>I have a question: I got my oil changed today (Syntec 5-20) and
>the technician (at this quick lube place) told me that I needed a
>"fuel system flush"; apparently, it is recommended every 24K Km
>(18kmiles). Well, I refused as the own
>wer book says nothing of such flushes.


You actually opened up your service schedule. That means you are smarter than
the average customer they lie to.

>He also suggested a engine oil flush.


Of course. Another unecessary job they make money off of.

>Are these things really necessary? The owner's manual says
>nothing of these procedures, so I suspect not.


Exactly right.

--------------
Alex

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Old 09 Mar 2006, 06:56 pm
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"Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> wrote in news:440f8edd@usenet.zapto.org:

>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9780C38648CD4tegger@207.14.113.17...


<snip>


>> That's 15K miles, not 18. Get a Metric calculator if you aren't
>> bilingual
>> for measurements.

>
> I am bilingual... but not in measurements...I tried to convert
> metric to the old system,




Get a Metric conversion calculator from Staples. $10.



> but to be honest, I have **NO** idea of
> how the old system actually worls.




You don't really want to know it, then.
Too...un-Canadian...right?

I was almost in high school when Metric first came along and it was the
most confusing thing I'd ever seen. I'm used to it by now, though.



> I am from that new generation
> who says "half a pound? what's that??? Just give me 500 grams of
> leam ham please"




You're pretty new then. Probably still have some of the factory warranty
left.



<snip>


>
> Teg, Is there *anytime* when these services are even useful for a
> car? I do have an older Venture van with 100K km...
>
>



Yes, a fuel system flush is an excellent idea on older cars. Motorvac has a
procedure that works superbly. Canadian Tire does Motorvac for about $120.

As Mike Pardee says, oil flushes are worse than useless. Don't ever bother
with them. If your motor has sludge, you're better off leaving it alone and
just start changing the oil more frequently.


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