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Old 26 Nov 2005, 03:09 pm
J Poy
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Default 1991 Integra Can't remove key

Can anyone help me?

Now that we have snow and it's getting cold, I am having trouble removing
the key from the ignition I have wait 3 or 4 minutes before it will come
out.

I tried cleaning the ignition lock with ignition cleaner and added some
WD-40, but doesn't help.

Anyone had this problem before???

Jay


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Old 27 Nov 2005, 06:54 am
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

"J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:K94if.7979$e43.488495@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Can anyone help me?
>
> Now that we have snow and it's getting cold, I am having trouble removing
> the key from the ignition I have wait 3 or 4 minutes before it will come
> out.
>
> I tried cleaning the ignition lock with ignition cleaner and added some
> WD-40, but doesn't help.
>
> Anyone had this problem before???
>
> Jay
>

You bet - look in the alt.autos.honda group and you will see a couple
threads. The upshot so far has been either a troublesome key (may help, may
not) or an interlock associated with the gear selector. See the "Cold
weather - Honda 1990 question" thread and "Curly Q. Links" post. Also, my
own advice is to wash out the WD-40 with a shot of contact cleaner or
non-chlorinated brake cleaner while it is still fresh. In my experience,
WD-40 gums up locks within a couple of years (maybe a hot climate
phenomenon?) and nothing but more WD-40 will free it again. Graphite is the
lubricant for locks.

Mike


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Old 27 Nov 2005, 09:29 am
J Poy
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

Mike!

Thanks for your suggestions, I got some contact cleaner and dry graphite key
lub, but no luck so far :-(
However I did fine the thread "Cold weather - Honda 1990 question" but
could not fine Curly Q. Link on this subject. Could you please give me more
details how to locate the link?

Thanks again!

Jay



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> "J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:K94if.7979$e43.488495@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> Can anyone help me?
>>
>> Now that we have snow and it's getting cold, I am having trouble
>> removing the key from the ignition I have wait 3 or 4 minutes before it
>> will come out.
>>
>> I tried cleaning the ignition lock with ignition cleaner and added some
>> WD-40, but doesn't help.
>>
>> Anyone had this problem before???
>>
>> Jay
>>

> You bet - look in the alt.autos.honda group and you will see a couple
> threads. The upshot so far has been either a troublesome key (may help,
> may not) or an interlock associated with the gear selector. See the "Cold
> weather - Honda 1990 question" thread and "Curly Q. Links" post. Also, my
> own advice is to wash out the WD-40 with a shot of contact cleaner or
> non-chlorinated brake cleaner while it is still fresh. In my experience,
> WD-40 gums up locks within a couple of years (maybe a hot climate
> phenomenon?) and nothing but more WD-40 will free it again. Graphite is
> the lubricant for locks.
>
> Mike
>



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Old 27 Nov 2005, 10:01 am
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

"J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Mike!
>
> Thanks for your suggestions, I got some contact cleaner and dry graphite
> key lub, but no luck so far :-(
> However I did fine the thread "Cold weather - Honda 1990 question" but
> could not fine Curly Q. Link on this subject. Could you please give me
> more details how to locate the link?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Jay
>

Begging Curly's understanding, I'll just quote it here:

<Eric is close. The linkage that shifts your automatic tranny into Park is
out of adjustment a bit, and so it won't let the key lock solenoid get past
it when the sucker's cold. You might even have an access hatch on the left
side of your steering wheel cover, above the lever that sets the steering
wheel angle. One screw. I won't try to tell you how to fix it, since it
should be done by a pro. Anybody who has worked on Hondas can set it up for
you. Should take ten minutes.

OTOH, you should make sure that the lube you sprayed into your ignition lock
has some graphite, or at least Teflon. Lock-Ease is hard to find, but it's
the BEST. Try locksmiths. Some sprays flush out all the lubrication. Don't
use anything dino-based.

'Curly'>


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Old 27 Nov 2005, 04:26 pm
J Poy
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

Thanks Mike!

If I figure it out, how and what needs to be done to fix this problem I will
post it.

Jay


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:xhkif.196$wf2.28615@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Mike!
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions, I got some contact cleaner and dry graphite
>> key lub, but no luck so far :-(
>> However I did fine the thread "Cold weather - Honda 1990 question" but
>> could not fine Curly Q. Link on this subject. Could you please give me
>> more details how to locate the link?
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> Jay
>>

> Begging Curly's understanding, I'll just quote it here:
>
> <Eric is close. The linkage that shifts your automatic tranny into Park is
> out of adjustment a bit, and so it won't let the key lock solenoid get
> past it when the sucker's cold. You might even have an access hatch on the
> left side of your steering wheel cover, above the lever that sets the
> steering wheel angle. One screw. I won't try to tell you how to fix it,
> since it should be done by a pro. Anybody who has worked on Hondas can set
> it up for you. Should take ten minutes.
>
> OTOH, you should make sure that the lube you sprayed into your ignition
> lock has some graphite, or at least Teflon. Lock-Ease is hard to find, but
> it's the BEST. Try locksmiths. Some sprays flush out all the lubrication.
> Don't use anything dino-based.
>
> 'Curly'>
>



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Old 27 Nov 2005, 05:55 pm
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"J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Thanks Mike!
>
> If I figure it out, how and what needs to be done to fix this problem I
> will post it.
>
> Jay
>
>

We'll appreciate that. We haven't seen a follow-up on the original thread
AFAIK. Curly's advice sounds sound, though.

Mike


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Old 28 Nov 2005, 02:36 pm
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

Hello Mike,

Sorry I won't be able to follow up regarding this problem after all. One
thing I didn't mention to you was this was my sons car he just return from
the hospital and I mention I was trying to figure out the problem for him.
He told me he had looked into the problem earlier this year and yes indeed
there was a problem some switch or linkage to the transmission. I ask for
better explanation he didn't want to talk about it and he said he didn't
need my help. Another thing he did say was it would cost $400.00 to be fixed
and decided he would live with the problem.

One thing I noticed today was I had no problem removing the key with the
temperature at 13 degree C. but when it gets around zero degree C you have
to wait about 2 to 5mins. before the key can be removed.

Jay

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:7oqif.968$Et5.41214@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Thanks Mike!
>>
>> If I figure it out, how and what needs to be done to fix this problem I
>> will post it.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>

> We'll appreciate that. We haven't seen a follow-up on the original thread
> AFAIK. Curly's advice sounds sound, though.
>
> Mike
>



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Old 30 Nov 2005, 10:07 pm
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:36:50 -0500, "J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Hello Mike,
>
>Sorry I won't be able to follow up regarding this problem after all. One
>thing I didn't mention to you was this was my sons car he just return from
>the hospital and I mention I was trying to figure out the problem for him.
>He told me he had looked into the problem earlier this year and yes indeed
>there was a problem some switch or linkage to the transmission. I ask for
>better explanation he didn't want to talk about it and he said he didn't
>need my help. Another thing he did say was it would cost $400.00 to be fixed
>and decided he would live with the problem.
>
>One thing I noticed today was I had no problem removing the key with the
>temperature at 13 degree C. but when it gets around zero degree C you have
>to wait about 2 to 5mins. before the key can be removed.
>
>Jay
>
>"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>news:WYWdnR2Fbdvx2hfeRVn-sA@sedona.net...
>> "J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:7oqif.968$Et5.41214@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>> Thanks Mike!
>>>
>>> If I figure it out, how and what needs to be done to fix this problem I
>>> will post it.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>

>> We'll appreciate that. We haven't seen a follow-up on the original thread
>> AFAIK. Curly's advice sounds sound, though.
>>
>> Mike
>>

>


I think your problem is the transmission selector switch. Here's some
info on it. You have to take apart the center console to get at the
switch, which is attached to the gear select lever mechanism.

--

The problem is with the shift position switch itself - the white box
on the right side of the shift lever. You'll notice that the contacts
are suspended by springs, and that there is also a spring loaded ball
in a sleve. Those parts are lubricated with grease, but over time the
grease gets hard and prevents free movement of these components.

So just take the switch apart, clean the parts and reapply some fresh
grease. Just make sure you align the switch and shift lever properly
when reinstalling - the ball will rest in the groove in the switch
when the lever is in Neutral.
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Old 01 Dec 2005, 07:31 am
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

Hi Darius,

Thanks for the tip I'll pass it on to my son. Could save him big bucks!

Jay

"darius" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:36:50 -0500, "J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Hello Mike,
>>
>>Sorry I won't be able to follow up regarding this problem after all. One
>>thing I didn't mention to you was this was my sons car he just return from
>>the hospital and I mention I was trying to figure out the problem for him.
>>He told me he had looked into the problem earlier this year and yes indeed
>>there was a problem some switch or linkage to the transmission. I ask for
>>better explanation he didn't want to talk about it and he said he didn't
>>need my help. Another thing he did say was it would cost $400.00 to be
>>fixed
>>and decided he would live with the problem.
>>
>>One thing I noticed today was I had no problem removing the key with the
>>temperature at 13 degree C. but when it gets around zero degree C you have
>>to wait about 2 to 5mins. before the key can be removed.
>>
>>Jay
>>
>>"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
>>news:WYWdnR2Fbdvx2hfeRVn-sA@sedona.net...
>>> "J Poy" <jpoy@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:7oqif.968$Et5.41214@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>> Thanks Mike!
>>>>
>>>> If I figure it out, how and what needs to be done to fix this problem I
>>>> will post it.
>>>>
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We'll appreciate that. We haven't seen a follow-up on the original
>>> thread
>>> AFAIK. Curly's advice sounds sound, though.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>

>>

>
> I think your problem is the transmission selector switch. Here's some
> info on it. You have to take apart the center console to get at the
> switch, which is attached to the gear select lever mechanism.
>
> --
>
> The problem is with the shift position switch itself - the white box
> on the right side of the shift lever. You'll notice that the contacts
> are suspended by springs, and that there is also a spring loaded ball
> in a sleve. Those parts are lubricated with grease, but over time the
> grease gets hard and prevents free movement of these components.
>
> So just take the switch apart, clean the parts and reapply some fresh
> grease. Just make sure you align the switch and shift lever properly
> when reinstalling - the ball will rest in the groove in the switch
> when the lever is in Neutral.



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Old 14 Dec 2005, 11:27 am
Art M
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Default Re: 1991 Integra Can't remove key

If your gear selector indicator light isn't showing that you are in park
then it is likely the same problem I had.

I fixed it with a zip tie to secure a loose switch. You have to remove the
center console plastic cover around the AT gear selector. To do that you
problem have to remove the plastic knee panels on both sides first. Then if
I remember correctly I secured part # 9 in this picture.

http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/...13SK70_B35.gif

Whichever part it was it was white plastic and I could make the park light
indicator go on and off by moving the switch until I secured it. I did this
a few years ago and haven't had any problems since then.

Let me know if you need more details.

--Art



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> Can anyone help me?
>
> Now that we have snow and it's getting cold, I am having trouble removing
> the key from the ignition I have wait 3 or 4 minutes before it will come
> out.
>
> I tried cleaning the ignition lock with ignition cleaner and added some
> WD-40, but doesn't help.
>
> Anyone had this problem before???
>
> Jay
>



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