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Old 29 Sep 2005, 05:10 pm
PRS GEEK
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Default Newbie to group... 3.2 TL Stupid Question?

I have a 2000 3.2 TL... Great car, IMHO.

But I'm hearing something that "sounds" wrong: Passengers (and myself)
notice a hum in the engine that seems to get louder and higher pitched the
faster I go. It's not high pitched, but more like a loud hum, and not quite
what I would call a grind. It's definitely loud enough to cause concern.

I had the tranny (recall) done a few years ago (2-3 years?), but it seems to
not necessarily coinside with the tranny. Maybe more of a belt, exhaust
system or something. IOW, when the car is up or down shifting, I don't
"haer" a glitch, I just hear smooth faster and slower hum/grind.

Ahhh, yes, the car has 150K if you were wondering, all driven by yours
truly. I have not called the dealer regarding this problem and maybe I'm
just trying to self diagnose, and that may be stupid, but... If I can have
my repair guy check out a few things, maybe it could be something that
doesn't need a dealer to fix/replace.

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.

Jeff


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Old 29 Sep 2005, 06:55 pm
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"PRS GEEK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 2000 3.2 TL... Great car, IMHO.
>
> But I'm hearing something that "sounds" wrong: Passengers (and myself)
> notice a hum in the engine that seems to get louder and higher pitched the
> faster I go. It's not high pitched, but more like a loud hum, and not
> quite
> what I would call a grind. It's definitely loud enough to cause concern.
>
> I had the tranny (recall) done a few years ago (2-3 years?), but it seems
> to
> not necessarily coinside with the tranny. Maybe more of a belt, exhaust
> system or something. IOW, when the car is up or down shifting, I don't
> "haer" a glitch, I just hear smooth faster and slower hum/grind.
>
> Ahhh, yes, the car has 150K if you were wondering, all driven by yours
> truly. I have not called the dealer regarding this problem and maybe I'm
> just trying to self diagnose, and that may be stupid, but... If I can have
> my repair guy check out a few things, maybe it could be something that
> doesn't need a dealer to fix/replace.
>
> Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Jeff
>
>

The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

I am concerned it may be a symptom of an overtightened timing belt. I'll let
the real gurus (bev, TeGGeR, jim beam, remco...) weigh in with their ideas,
but if it is the timing belt you are in danger of *serious* engine damage -
so listen to what they have to say about that.

In the meantime, is there a record of when the timing belt was replaced -
year and mileage? If not, you need to have that done immediately, I'm
certain. Check the owner's manual for the interval but I don't know of any
that are supposed to go 150K miles.

Mike


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Old 29 Sep 2005, 07:59 pm
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
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> I am concerned it may be a symptom of an overtightened timing belt.
> I'll let the real gurus (bev, TeGGeR, jim beam, remco...) weigh in
> with their ideas, but if it is the timing belt you are in danger of
> *serious* engine damage - so listen to what they have to say about
> that.




Overtightened timing belt is my first bet, if it's been changed very, very
recently.

And yes, if it is the timing belt, get this fixed the second you are able
to get to a shop. If it breaks, the probability of expensive engine damage
is high.


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Old 29 Sep 2005, 08:25 pm
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Default Re: Newbie to group... 3.2 TL Stupid Question?

Timing belt can't be overtightened. It has an automatic tensioner. Of course
there could be something else wrong like a pulley bearing etc.

David Short
Acura God


"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:L-6dnQN_toJt7aHeRVn-pA@sedona.net...
> "PRS GEEK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:6LY_e.27237$ib1.835@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>>I have a 2000 3.2 TL... Great car, IMHO.
>>
>> But I'm hearing something that "sounds" wrong: Passengers (and myself)
>> notice a hum in the engine that seems to get louder and higher pitched
>> the
>> faster I go. It's not high pitched, but more like a loud hum, and not
>> quite
>> what I would call a grind. It's definitely loud enough to cause concern.
>>
>> I had the tranny (recall) done a few years ago (2-3 years?), but it seems
>> to
>> not necessarily coinside with the tranny. Maybe more of a belt, exhaust
>> system or something. IOW, when the car is up or down shifting, I don't
>> "haer" a glitch, I just hear smooth faster and slower hum/grind.
>>
>> Ahhh, yes, the car has 150K if you were wondering, all driven by yours
>> truly. I have not called the dealer regarding this problem and maybe I'm
>> just trying to self diagnose, and that may be stupid, but... If I can
>> have
>> my repair guy check out a few things, maybe it could be something that
>> doesn't need a dealer to fix/replace.
>>
>> Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>

> The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.
>
> I am concerned it may be a symptom of an overtightened timing belt. I'll
> let the real gurus (bev, TeGGeR, jim beam, remco...) weigh in with their
> ideas, but if it is the timing belt you are in danger of *serious* engine
> damage - so listen to what they have to say about that.
>
> In the meantime, is there a record of when the timing belt was replaced -
> year and mileage? If not, you need to have that done immediately, I'm
> certain. Check the owner's manual for the interval but I don't know of any
> that are supposed to go 150K miles.
>
> Mike
>



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Old 29 Sep 2005, 08:54 pm
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"Acura God" <shortinc@insightbb.com> wrote in
news:JB%_e.377247$_o.376680@attbi_s71:

> Timing belt can't be overtightened. It has an automatic tensioner.



How does this "automatic tensioner" work?



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Old 30 Sep 2005, 02:34 am
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Default Re: Newbie to group... 3.2 TL Stupid Question?

Gentlemen... The timing belt has _never_ been replaced and I'm at 150K...

I believe the service manual requires a timing belt change at about 100K...
I'm WAY pat due. So, even if it IS self tenisoning, it's the original belt.
Should I be looking at the timing belt first?

You think I can get this done withOUT the help of a dealer @ $xxxxxxx.xx?

Jeff

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "Acura God" <shortinc@insightbb.com> wrote in
> news:JB%_e.377247$_o.376680@attbi_s71:
>
>> Timing belt can't be overtightened. It has an automatic tensioner.

>
>
> How does this "automatic tensioner" work?
>
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/



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Old 30 Sep 2005, 08:37 am
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Default Re: Newbie to group... 3.2 TL Stupid Question?

"PRS GEEK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:H%4%e.618$Vk.170@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net.. .
> Gentlemen... The timing belt has _never_ been replaced and I'm at 150K...
>
> I believe the service manual requires a timing belt change at about
> 100K... I'm WAY pat due. So, even if it IS self tenisoning, it's the
> original belt. Should I be looking at the timing belt first?
>
> You think I can get this done withOUT the help of a dealer @ $xxxxxxx.xx?
>
> Jeff
>

OMG! Yes - you are on thin ice. (When I bought my daughter's '93 Accord, it
was 163K miles on the original belt.) Get the belt replaced as soon as
humanly possible. While in there, many of us recommend replacement of the
water pump as a precaution, since the belt job includes at least 90% of the
labor to do the pump. The bearings in the belt tensioner(s) are getting dry
by now also, I'm sure, so new one(s) are a good idea but not necessarily
mandatory.

Calling around to every place friends recommend will get you the best price;
prices can vary over as much as a 2:1 range. Spell out how much you want
done, so there is no misunderstanding from one shop to another. As long as
the lowest price is from a reputable shop there's no reason to pay more. I
do recommend real Honda/Acura parts, though. You don't want anything to go
wrong down the road.

Mike


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Old 30 Sep 2005, 11:35 am
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Default Re: Newbie to group... 3.2 TL Stupid Question?

The belt should have been changed at 105k miles. You are pushing it some.
It is possible that the belt is starting to come apart, which could result
in some funny noises. But its only 5 years old, so I tend to doubt it. I
think I would check the external belts and pulleys first, just because its
easy to do so.

The timing belt on an '00 TL is all but inaccessible. The local Acura
dealer (in Dallas) priced the job at $1500 the last time I asked. You can
probably do it yourself if you are masochistic enough and have the right
tools. I've been debating with myself whether to trade mine off at 104,999
miles...

On 9/30/05 1:34 AM, in article H%4%e.618$Vk.170@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net,
"PRS GEEK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Gentlemen... The timing belt has _never_ been replaced and I'm at 150K...
>
> I believe the service manual requires a timing belt change at about 100K...
> I'm WAY pat due. So, even if it IS self tenisoning, it's the original belt.
> Should I be looking at the timing belt first?
>
> You think I can get this done withOUT the help of a dealer @ $xxxxxxx.xx?
>
> Jeff
>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns96E0D4BCDC2E4tegger@207.14.113.17...
>> "Acura God" <shortinc@insightbb.com> wrote in
>> news:JB%_e.377247$_o.376680@attbi_s71:
>>
>>> Timing belt can't be overtightened. It has an automatic tensioner.

>>
>>
>> How does this "automatic tensioner" work?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

>
>


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Old 30 Sep 2005, 12:18 pm
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "PRS GEEK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:H%4%e.618$Vk.170@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net.. .
>> Gentlemen... The timing belt has _never_ been replaced and I'm at 150K...
>>
>> I believe the service manual requires a timing belt change at about
>> 100K... I'm WAY pat due. So, even if it IS self tenisoning, it's the
>> original belt. Should I be looking at the timing belt first?
>>
>> You think I can get this done withOUT the help of a dealer @
>> $xxxxxxx.xx?
>>
>> Jeff
>>

> OMG! Yes - you are on thin ice. (When I bought my daughter's '93 Accord,
> it was 163K miles on the original belt.) Get the belt replaced as soon as
> humanly possible. While in there, many of us recommend replacement of the
> water pump as a precaution, since the belt job includes at least 90% of
> the labor to do the pump. The bearings in the belt tensioner(s) are
> getting dry by now also, I'm sure, so new one(s) are a good idea but not
> necessarily mandatory.


OK... Sheesh... $$$$$$$$

> Calling around to every place friends recommend will get you the best
> price; prices can vary over as much as a 2:1 range. Spell out how much you
> want done, so there is no misunderstanding from one shop to another. As
> long as the lowest price is from a reputable shop there's no reason to pay
> more. I do recommend real Honda/Acura parts, though. You don't want
> anything to go wrong down the road.


The next poster has priced out the timing belt job at $1500. I also, might
consider trading, but I'm in sales and I'm gonna get killed on the value vs.
payoff ratio if I do. I might consider a 2 yr. old Acura or something. The
first year of the new body style, or something.

Jeff


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Old 30 Sep 2005, 12:20 pm
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"E Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in message
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> The belt should have been changed at 105k miles. You are pushing it some.
> It is possible that the belt is starting to come apart, which could result
> in some funny noises. But its only 5 years old, so I tend to doubt it. I
> think I would check the external belts and pulleys first, just because its
> easy to do so.


Yeah, but that belt is gonna go regardless, I think. Scary proposition, eh?

> The timing belt on an '00 TL is all but inaccessible. The local Acura
> dealer (in Dallas) priced the job at $1500 the last time I asked. You can
> probably do it yourself if you are masochistic enough and have the right
> tools. I've been debating with myself whether to trade mine off at
> 104,999
> miles...


My mechanical skills suck... No way. I have friends that might do it, but I
still need diagnostic info. Not sure I can get that info without taking it
in.

Jeff
>
> On 9/30/05 1:34 AM, in article
> H%4%e.618$Vk.170@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net,
> "PRS GEEK" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen... The timing belt has _never_ been replaced and I'm at 150K...
>>
>> I believe the service manual requires a timing belt change at about
>> 100K...
>> I'm WAY pat due. So, even if it IS self tenisoning, it's the original
>> belt.
>> Should I be looking at the timing belt first?
>>
>> You think I can get this done withOUT the help of a dealer @
>> $xxxxxxx.xx?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96E0D4BCDC2E4tegger@207.14.113.17...
>>> "Acura God" <shortinc@insightbb.com> wrote in
>>> news:JB%_e.377247$_o.376680@attbi_s71:
>>>
>>>> Timing belt can't be overtightened. It has an automatic tensioner.
>>>
>>>
>>> How does this "automatic tensioner" work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> TeGGeR®
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

>>
>>

>



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