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Old 05 Oct 2004, 07:57 pm
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Default 99 CL trans

I have been having transmission problems for many many miles and
finally went to see the dealer who delivered the bad news that I need
a new trans(auto) for a tune of about 4000. bucks. I have been told by
a few ex Acura Mechs that there have been many with the same problem
however Acura has declined me for assistance. Anyone out there who has
experienced a failing tranny at 88,000 ,would you get back to me asap
Thanks for any help
David
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Old 05 Oct 2004, 09:24 pm
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Default Re: 99 CL trans

On 5 Oct 2004 17:57:33 -0700, catsout1@yahoo.com (catsout) wrote:
>I have been having transmission problems for many many miles and
>finally went to see the dealer who delivered the bad news that I need
>a new trans(auto) for a tune of about 4000. bucks. I have been told by
>a few ex Acura Mechs that there have been many with the same problem
>however Acura has declined me for assistance. Anyone out there who has
>experienced a failing tranny at 88,000 ,would you get back to me asap


Unloaded mine when four year lease ran out, tranny never really worked
right, dealer denied problems, I wonder who has it now.

You have the V6 I presume?

J.

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Old 05 Oct 2004, 09:59 pm
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"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> On 5 Oct 2004 17:57:33 -0700, catsout1@yahoo.com (catsout) wrote:
> >I have been having transmission problems for many many miles and
> >finally went to see the dealer who delivered the bad news that I need
> >a new trans(auto) for a tune of about 4000. bucks. I have been told by
> >a few ex Acura Mechs that there have been many with the same problem
> >however Acura has declined me for assistance. Anyone out there who has
> >experienced a failing tranny at 88,000 ,would you get back to me asap

>
> Unloaded mine when four year lease ran out, tranny never really worked
> right, dealer denied problems, I wonder who has it now.
>
> You have the V6 I presume?


Didn't the extended warrantee get extended to the 99 TL & CL? I just had my
99 TL trans replaced last week and I think I need it replaced again. It
slips worse now than with the original one.


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Old 06 Oct 2004, 11:37 am
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Default Re: 99 CL trans

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:59:06 GMT, "John" <jmillerlaw@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Didn't the extended warrantee get extended to the 99 TL & CL? I just had my
>99 TL trans replaced last week and I think I need it replaced again. It
>slips worse now than with the original one.


Swell.

I just hope my 2004 Accord I4 is immune, ... but it probably isn't,
though I don't believe Honda has yet offered a recall or extended
warranty on the I4's.

Well, I have that on lease, too, and will certainly not keep it past
warranty.

I may have to break my Honda habit if this nonsense is still going on
in 2007.

J.

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Old 06 Oct 2004, 07:41 pm
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Default Re: 99 CL trans

On 10/6/04 11:37 AM, in article 4g78m0p1lmsflbo071skd396cgm78kp1fh@4ax.com,
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:59:06 GMT, "John" <jmillerlaw@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>> Didn't the extended warrantee get extended to the 99 TL & CL? I just had my
>> 99 TL trans replaced last week and I think I need it replaced again. It
>> slips worse now than with the original one.

>
> Swell.
>
> I just hope my 2004 Accord I4 is immune, ... but it probably isn't,
> though I don't believe Honda has yet offered a recall or extended
> warranty on the I4's.
>
> Well, I have that on lease, too, and will certainly not keep it past
> warranty.
>
> I may have to break my Honda habit if this nonsense is still going on
> in 2007.
>
> J.
>


This is all getting blown way out of proportion. The recall on Odysseys and
Pilots was based on 10 failures. The recall on the sedans was based on 1
(one) failure. I have never heard of any problems with the transmission on
the 4 cylinder engines. Honda has not been compelled to recall anything.
They did all this of their own volition.

Compare the record of practically any other car maker and I doubt you will
find anybody else that actually tries to take care of their customers like
this.

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Old 06 Oct 2004, 09:48 pm
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Default Re: 99 CL trans

I know for a fact that the 5-speed auto fails on Acura TLs and CLs. My
dealer has already replaced several, including mine last week. However, the
'99 CL and TL have a different transmission.

"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:BD89FAF3.A409C%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> On 10/6/04 11:37 AM, in article
> 4g78m0p1lmsflbo071skd396cgm78kp1fh@4ax.com,
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:59:06 GMT, "John" <jmillerlaw@worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Didn't the extended warrantee get extended to the 99 TL & CL? I just had
>>> my
>>> 99 TL trans replaced last week and I think I need it replaced again. It
>>> slips worse now than with the original one.

>>
>> Swell.
>>
>> I just hope my 2004 Accord I4 is immune, ... but it probably isn't,
>> though I don't believe Honda has yet offered a recall or extended
>> warranty on the I4's.
>>
>> Well, I have that on lease, too, and will certainly not keep it past
>> warranty.
>>
>> I may have to break my Honda habit if this nonsense is still going on
>> in 2007.
>>
>> J.
>>

>
> This is all getting blown way out of proportion. The recall on Odysseys
> and
> Pilots was based on 10 failures. The recall on the sedans was based on 1
> (one) failure. I have never heard of any problems with the transmission
> on
> the 4 cylinder engines. Honda has not been compelled to recall anything.
> They did all this of their own volition.
>
> Compare the record of practically any other car maker and I doubt you will
> find anybody else that actually tries to take care of their customers like
> this.
>



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Old 06 Oct 2004, 10:09 pm
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Default Re: 99 CL trans

Honda / Acura transmission problems are not blown out of proportion (if the
transmission were to fail on YOUR car).

I have a 1995 Acura Legend, a totally problem free and rock solid reliable
car, I will probably drive it until gasoline becomes obsolete.

I believe that 1995 was the height of quality and pride for the Japanese
auto industry, and quality and reliability have been in steady decline ever
since then.

The reason why Honda's and Acura's are losing there superior quality is
triple tiered:

1) Outsourcing, unfortunately the Japanese work ethic is getting too pricey
for Honda.

2) Globalization, that's a fancy word for produce cheap crap for slave wages
in dictatorships while using familiar corporate logos and branding.

3) A far less sosphisticated and less demanding US market, feed them a
crap-quality and over-sized SUV barge and they're happy. Meaning that car
companies don't have to spend as much on making decent car lines, they
butter their bread a lot easier with SUV's and the salt lick cattle that buy
them.

Don't let a few token U.S. plants that build Japanese branded cars such as
the CL fool you, almost 80% of the parts and inners are now slapped together
on a third world shit for quality work farm.








"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
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> On 10/6/04 11:37 AM, in article
> 4g78m0p1lmsflbo071skd396cgm78kp1fh@4ax.com,
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:59:06 GMT, "John" <jmillerlaw@worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Didn't the extended warrantee get extended to the 99 TL & CL? I just had
>>> my
>>> 99 TL trans replaced last week and I think I need it replaced again. It
>>> slips worse now than with the original one.

>>
>> Swell.
>>
>> I just hope my 2004 Accord I4 is immune, ... but it probably isn't,
>> though I don't believe Honda has yet offered a recall or extended
>> warranty on the I4's.
>>
>> Well, I have that on lease, too, and will certainly not keep it past
>> warranty.
>>
>> I may have to break my Honda habit if this nonsense is still going on
>> in 2007.
>>
>> J.
>>

>
> This is all getting blown way out of proportion. The recall on Odysseys
> and
> Pilots was based on 10 failures. The recall on the sedans was based on 1
> (one) failure. I have never heard of any problems with the transmission
> on
> the 4 cylinder engines. Honda has not been compelled to recall anything.
> They did all this of their own volition.
>
> Compare the record of practically any other car maker and I doubt you will
> find anybody else that actually tries to take care of their customers like
> this.
>



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Old 07 Oct 2004, 08:04 am
JXStern
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Default Re: 99 CL trans

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:41:40 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:
>>> Didn't the extended warrantee get extended to the 99 TL & CL? I just had my
>>> 99 TL trans replaced last week and I think I need it replaced again. It
>>> slips worse now than with the original one.

>>
>> Swell.
>>
>> I just hope my 2004 Accord I4 is immune, ... but it probably isn't,
>> though I don't believe Honda has yet offered a recall or extended
>> warranty on the I4's.
>>
>> Well, I have that on lease, too, and will certainly not keep it past
>> warranty.
>>
>> I may have to break my Honda habit if this nonsense is still going on
>> in 2007.
>>

>
>This is all getting blown way out of proportion. The recall on Odysseys and
>Pilots was based on 10 failures. The recall on the sedans was based on 1
>(one) failure.


Bullcrap my friend, bullcrap, they would have no reason to do a recall
if there were so few failures.

My guess, based on my experience and the few messages posted in
newsgroups like this, is that somewhere between thousands and 100% of
units out there malfunction, but most people just live with it
unaware, unless the malfunction gets bad enough to actually leave them
stranded. Read the message at the head of this thread. The number
that are left stranded may be relatively small, less than one percent,
but that is more than enough to motivate a government-intiated recall,
if the word gets out. How would Honda like to replace 100% of their
transmissions - WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO REPLACE THEM WITH!!!

> I have never heard of any problems with the transmission on
>the 4 cylinder engines.


Well, hear of it now, my 2004 Accord I4 shows signs of the same
torque-converter slippage or whatever you want to call that failure,
that I lived with in my 1999 CL. Ten months old, eight thousand easy
miles, and at the least, it needs a flush, or something. But for now,
I'm just living with it, I know how to work around it, somewhat, and
it was twice as bad on the old Acura.

> Honda has not been compelled to recall anything.
>They did all this of their own volition.


They are playing with fire. At least, they are costing themselves
hundreds of millions of dollars. If they lose their quality rep, they
will lose tens of billions.

>Compare the record of practically any other car maker and I doubt you will
>find anybody else that actually tries to take care of their customers like
>this.


I do admire their customer service response, but at some point, their
customer service people will be overwhelmed by what I see as a
*design* failure in their automatic transmissions. I do not see this
as a manufacturing quality issue at all, they simply lack the
engineering skill to design and build automatic transmissions that
work reliably for even the warranty period. VERY embarrassing, and
potentially FATAL, and the problem is going on FIVE YEARS now, with
really no signs of improvement. You do the math.

J.

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Old 07 Oct 2004, 10:07 am
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Default Re: 99 CL trans

On 10/7/04 8:04 AM, in article eqeam0tudtb2ipcjmeccbihnqua0ohr7c4@4ax.com,
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:41:40 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>>>> Didn't the extended warrantee get extended to the 99 TL & CL? I just had my
>>>> 99 TL trans replaced last week and I think I need it replaced again. It
>>>> slips worse now than with the original one.
>>>
>>> Swell.
>>>
>>> I just hope my 2004 Accord I4 is immune, ... but it probably isn't,
>>> though I don't believe Honda has yet offered a recall or extended
>>> warranty on the I4's.
>>>
>>> Well, I have that on lease, too, and will certainly not keep it past
>>> warranty.
>>>
>>> I may have to break my Honda habit if this nonsense is still going on
>>> in 2007.
>>>

>>
>> This is all getting blown way out of proportion. The recall on Odysseys and
>> Pilots was based on 10 failures. The recall on the sedans was based on 1
>> (one) failure.

>
> Bullcrap my friend, bullcrap, they would have no reason to do a recall
> if there were so few failures.


Those are the numbers they gave to the NHTSA, quoted from the NHTSA. If
its bullcrap, I would expect some sort of Governmental response. The only
official response I have seen was highly complementary of Honda for taking
the initiative without being forced.

>
> My guess, based on my experience and the few messages posted in
> newsgroups like this, is that somewhere between thousands and 100% of
> units out there malfunction, but most people just live with it
> unaware, unless the malfunction gets bad enough to actually leave them
> stranded. Read the message at the head of this thread. The number
> that are left stranded may be relatively small, less than one percent,
> but that is more than enough to motivate a government-intiated recall,
> if the word gets out. How would Honda like to replace 100% of their
> transmissions - WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO REPLACE THEM WITH!!!
>
>> I have never heard of any problems with the transmission on
>> the 4 cylinder engines.

>
> Well, hear of it now, my 2004 Accord I4 shows signs of the same
> torque-converter slippage or whatever you want to call that failure,
> that I lived with in my 1999 CL. Ten months old, eight thousand easy
> miles, and at the least, it needs a flush, or something. But for now,
> I'm just living with it, I know how to work around it, somewhat, and
> it was twice as bad on the old Acura.


All torque converters slip. That is their nature. If you expect your
automatic to be as direct as a stick, you will be disappointed every time.


>
>> Honda has not been compelled to recall anything.
>> They did all this of their own volition.

>
> They are playing with fire. At least, they are costing themselves
> hundreds of millions of dollars. If they lose their quality rep, they
> will lose tens of billions.
>
>> Compare the record of practically any other car maker and I doubt you will
>> find anybody else that actually tries to take care of their customers like
>> this.

>
> I do admire their customer service response, but at some point, their
> customer service people will be overwhelmed by what I see as a
> *design* failure in their automatic transmissions. I do not see this
> as a manufacturing quality issue at all, they simply lack the
> engineering skill to design and build automatic transmissions that
> work reliably for even the warranty period. VERY embarrassing, and
> potentially FATAL, and the problem is going on FIVE YEARS now, with
> really no signs of improvement. You do the math.
>
> J.
>



I'm sorry your car has a problem, but a small number of people complaining
on a newsgroup does not a majority make.

I would love to do some math. Being an engineer, I feel naked without some
math to do. I have not seen any math, just hype and anecdotal evidence. I
would really like to see some real numbers. For example, what is the actual
size of the population? how many transmissions have actually been replaced?
What percentage of the population is that? What percentage is considered
normal by the industry (not just Honda)? Of those that were replaced, what
is the number that actually failed prior to replacement?

Human nature being what it is, once we convince ourselves there must be a
problem, we have a way of turning any little anomaly that would never have
been noticed before into absolute proof that doom is just around the corner.

I am driving an '00 TL with 55,000 miles. If I saw some real numbers, maybe
I could make an intelligent decision about whether to keep it or dump it.
I'm still waiting.


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Old 07 Oct 2004, 12:19 pm
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:07:35 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:
>> Well, hear of it now, my 2004 Accord I4 shows signs of the same
>> torque-converter slippage or whatever you want to call that failure,
>> that I lived with in my 1999 CL. Ten months old, eight thousand easy
>> miles, and at the least, it needs a flush, or something. But for now,
>> I'm just living with it, I know how to work around it, somewhat, and
>> it was twice as bad on the old Acura.

>
>All torque converters slip. That is their nature. If you expect your
>automatic to be as direct as a stick, you will be disappointed every time.


I expect the transmission to work now as it worked off the lot, and it
doesn't. I know how an automatic is supposed to work, and freezing
out all power to the drive train for a second or two when you hit the
accelerator pedal demanding more than 50% power, is not normal
slippage, it's malfunction, which can in some cases apparently be
cleaned up, for a few weeks or months, by flushing the transmission
fluid. In fact, it can be dangerous, for the ephemeral failures come
exactly when you most need high power.

>I'm sorry your car has a problem, but a small number of people complaining
>on a newsgroup does not a majority make.


It's a biased statistical sample of a large population, but even so it
has meaning.

>I would love to do some math. Being an engineer, I feel naked without some
>math to do. I have not seen any math, just hype and anecdotal evidence. I
>would really like to see some real numbers. For example, what is the actual
>size of the population? how many transmissions have actually been replaced?
>What percentage of the population is that? What percentage is considered
>normal by the industry (not just Honda)? Of those that were replaced, what
>is the number that actually failed prior to replacement?


I'd love to see these too, but do you really think Honda is going to
publish them?

You really want some knowledge, run your own experiment, go down to
your local used car lots and test-drive any old models you find there.
This may be a bad sample, if local laws require the tranny to be
flushed as part of resale prep, I don't know if that applies anywhere
or everywhere. Answering private for-sale ads might get you a better
sample. My bet is you'll find 50% or more have this shift-delay,
which is probably a frozen torque converter, although I have referred
to it as "slippage" (when the converter is supposed to be slipping and
passing through 80%, it actually passes through 0%, then finally you
get shifted into the next gear with an inappropriate *clunk*)

J.

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