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Old 27 Sep 2004, 10:26 am
Jon Klapper
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Default Another TL Transmission Problem Story (happy ending)

Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
$1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
Imagine my surprise......

After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.

Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!

Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.

Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
small part. Not that I care.....................

Jon
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Old 27 Sep 2004, 12:48 pm
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Default Re: Another TL Transmission Problem Story (happy ending)

On 9/27/04 9:26 AM, in article 4158207c.3831156@news.verizon.net, "Jon
Klapper" <captainjon@federalhill.com> wrote:

> Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
> mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
> Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
> $1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
> Imagine my surprise......
>
> After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
> been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.
>
> Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
> just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
> for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!
>
> Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
> and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.
>
> Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
> small part. Not that I care.....................
>
> Jon


It doesn't sound like the reason they usually give for failure, but the
transmission warranty on that car is 7 years & 100,000 miles, so enjoy your
new trans & you still have 17,000 miles to decide if its a keeper.

I think the transmission problems might be getting sorted out. The recent
recall (which also applies to your car) supposedly fixes what was causing
the failures.


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Old 27 Sep 2004, 01:03 pm
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Default Re: Another TL Transmission Problem Story (happy ending)

Mine failed last Friday before I could get the fix installed and I don't
believe it would have prevented the failure. A new transmission will be
installed this week.

Once warm, none of the gears would work, including reverse.

"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
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> On 9/27/04 9:26 AM, in article 4158207c.3831156@news.verizon.net, "Jon
> Klapper" <captainjon@federalhill.com> wrote:
>
>> Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
>> mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
>> Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
>> $1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
>> Imagine my surprise......
>>
>> After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
>> been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.
>>
>> Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
>> just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
>> for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!
>>
>> Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
>> and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.
>>
>> Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
>> small part. Not that I care.....................
>>
>> Jon

>
> It doesn't sound like the reason they usually give for failure, but the
> transmission warranty on that car is 7 years & 100,000 miles, so enjoy
> your
> new trans & you still have 17,000 miles to decide if its a keeper.
>
> I think the transmission problems might be getting sorted out. The recent
> recall (which also applies to your car) supposedly fixes what was causing
> the failures.
>
>





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Old 27 Sep 2004, 10:51 pm
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nope - the recall is for possible tranny lock up due to overheated 2nd gear
and possible installation of a kludge to squirt more oil on it to keep it
cool.

the problem that resulted in the extended warranty is 3rd gear clutch
failure.
I'm on #3 transmission, got 24K miles each on the first two. 2001 - 2004's
are still failing.

"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
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> On 9/27/04 9:26 AM, in article 4158207c.3831156@news.verizon.net, "Jon
> Klapper" <captainjon@federalhill.com> wrote:
>
>> Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
>> mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
>> Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
>> $1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
>> Imagine my surprise......
>>
>> After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
>> been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.
>>
>> Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
>> just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
>> for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!
>>
>> Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
>> and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.
>>
>> Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
>> small part. Not that I care.....................
>>
>> Jon

>
> It doesn't sound like the reason they usually give for failure, but the
> transmission warranty on that car is 7 years & 100,000 miles, so enjoy
> your
> new trans & you still have 17,000 miles to decide if its a keeper.
>
> I think the transmission problems might be getting sorted out. The recent
> recall (which also applies to your car) supposedly fixes what was causing
> the failures.
>
>



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Old 27 Sep 2004, 10:52 pm
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go here for all the grizzly details: www.acura-cl.com

"Ghislain" <ghislaing@istopDOTcom> wrote in message
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> Mine failed last Friday before I could get the fix installed and I don't
> believe it would have prevented the failure. A new transmission will be
> installed this week.
>
> Once warm, none of the gears would work, including reverse.
>
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD7DAE92.9F7B5%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>> On 9/27/04 9:26 AM, in article 4158207c.3831156@news.verizon.net, "Jon
>> Klapper" <captainjon@federalhill.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
>>> mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
>>> Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
>>> $1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
>>> Imagine my surprise......
>>>
>>> After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
>>> been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.
>>>
>>> Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
>>> just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
>>> for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!
>>>
>>> Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
>>> and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.
>>>
>>> Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
>>> small part. Not that I care.....................
>>>
>>> Jon

>>
>> It doesn't sound like the reason they usually give for failure, but the
>> transmission warranty on that car is 7 years & 100,000 miles, so enjoy
>> your
>> new trans & you still have 17,000 miles to decide if its a keeper.
>>
>> I think the transmission problems might be getting sorted out. The
>> recent
>> recall (which also applies to your car) supposedly fixes what was causing
>> the failures.
>>
>>

>
>
>
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Old 28 Sep 2004, 10:12 am
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I know that's what they said at the time, about both the original warranty
extension and the current recall.

I'm just relating now what I was told by the dealer when they performed the
recall, which was: "When they first started failing, they didn't know what
was going on. There were different failures in different models, in the
TL's it was usually the third gear clutch pack. Now that serious
engineering analysis has been completed, they believe this was the actual
cause and this is the fix."

The dealer also told me that of the 3000 cars they sold which are subject to
the recall, they had looked at just over 600 of them at that point and only
replaced two transmissions, unfortunately both in the same car (the first
replacement had a crack in the case).

I, for one, hope this is true and he wasn't just blowing smoke up my ass.

After they did the recall on my '00 TL, (they just added the kit, they did
not replace the transmission, currently at 53k miles), the shift points and
overall shifting behavior were different. At first there was some indecision
in it and I detected a slight shudder when it downshifted.

I pulled the backup fuse (which clears the memory of the DTC (drive train
computer) - fuse 13 in the passenger side under dash fuse box) because I
read somewhere that will make it forget any adaptive behavior it has evolved
and force it to relearn. After that all the weirdness went away and it
shifts pretty much the way I remember it from new. It is also taking half
as long to switch between reverse and drive now and downshifts are quicker
and definitive - the shudder is gone.

I've still got my fingers crossed, but all is good so far.



On 9/27/04 9:51 PM, in article 072dnXvjzNMtTMXcRVn-uA@comcast.com, "Person
of Interest" <dum@Trescue.com> wrote:

> nope - the recall is for possible tranny lock up due to overheated 2nd gear
> and possible installation of a kludge to squirt more oil on it to keep it
> cool.
>
> the problem that resulted in the extended warranty is 3rd gear clutch
> failure.
> I'm on #3 transmission, got 24K miles each on the first two. 2001 - 2004's
> are still failing.
>
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD7DAE92.9F7B5%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>> On 9/27/04 9:26 AM, in article 4158207c.3831156@news.verizon.net, "Jon
>> Klapper" <captainjon@federalhill.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
>>> mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
>>> Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
>>> $1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
>>> Imagine my surprise......
>>>
>>> After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
>>> been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.
>>>
>>> Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
>>> just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
>>> for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!
>>>
>>> Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
>>> and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.
>>>
>>> Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
>>> small part. Not that I care.....................
>>>
>>> Jon

>>
>> It doesn't sound like the reason they usually give for failure, but the
>> transmission warranty on that car is 7 years & 100,000 miles, so enjoy
>> your
>> new trans & you still have 17,000 miles to decide if its a keeper.
>>
>> I think the transmission problems might be getting sorted out. The recent
>> recall (which also applies to your car) supposedly fixes what was causing
>> the failures.
>>
>>

>
>


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Old 28 Sep 2004, 05:12 pm
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My dealer certainly hasn't looked at more than a few dozen recalled cars,
but they have replaced at least 3 transmissions (one apparently failed
during the test drive after installing the kit).

I've been told that both the transmisssion and the computer should be
replaced at the same time. Has anyone else been told the same?

"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:BD7EDB63.9FE3F%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>I know that's what they said at the time, about both the original warranty
> extension and the current recall.
>
> I'm just relating now what I was told by the dealer when they performed
> the
> recall, which was: "When they first started failing, they didn't know what
> was going on. There were different failures in different models, in the
> TL's it was usually the third gear clutch pack. Now that serious
> engineering analysis has been completed, they believe this was the actual
> cause and this is the fix."
>
> The dealer also told me that of the 3000 cars they sold which are subject
> to
> the recall, they had looked at just over 600 of them at that point and
> only
> replaced two transmissions, unfortunately both in the same car (the first
> replacement had a crack in the case).
>
> I, for one, hope this is true and he wasn't just blowing smoke up my ass.
>
> After they did the recall on my '00 TL, (they just added the kit, they did
> not replace the transmission, currently at 53k miles), the shift points
> and
> overall shifting behavior were different. At first there was some
> indecision
> in it and I detected a slight shudder when it downshifted.
>
> I pulled the backup fuse (which clears the memory of the DTC (drive train
> computer) - fuse 13 in the passenger side under dash fuse box) because I
> read somewhere that will make it forget any adaptive behavior it has
> evolved
> and force it to relearn. After that all the weirdness went away and it
> shifts pretty much the way I remember it from new. It is also taking half
> as long to switch between reverse and drive now and downshifts are quicker
> and definitive - the shudder is gone.
>
> I've still got my fingers crossed, but all is good so far.
>
>
>
> On 9/27/04 9:51 PM, in article 072dnXvjzNMtTMXcRVn-uA@comcast.com, "Person
> of Interest" <dum@Trescue.com> wrote:
>
>> nope - the recall is for possible tranny lock up due to overheated 2nd
>> gear
>> and possible installation of a kludge to squirt more oil on it to keep it
>> cool.
>>
>> the problem that resulted in the extended warranty is 3rd gear clutch
>> failure.
>> I'm on #3 transmission, got 24K miles each on the first two. 2001 -
>> 2004's
>> are still failing.
>>
>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
>> news:BD7DAE92.9F7B5%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>>> On 9/27/04 9:26 AM, in article 4158207c.3831156@news.verizon.net, "Jon
>>> Klapper" <captainjon@federalhill.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
>>>> mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
>>>> Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
>>>> $1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
>>>> Imagine my surprise......
>>>>
>>>> After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
>>>> been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.
>>>>
>>>> Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
>>>> just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
>>>> for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!
>>>>
>>>> Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
>>>> and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
>>>> small part. Not that I care.....................
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>
>>> It doesn't sound like the reason they usually give for failure, but the
>>> transmission warranty on that car is 7 years & 100,000 miles, so enjoy
>>> your
>>> new trans & you still have 17,000 miles to decide if its a keeper.
>>>
>>> I think the transmission problems might be getting sorted out. The
>>> recent
>>> recall (which also applies to your car) supposedly fixes what was
>>> causing
>>> the failures.
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>





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Old 28 Sep 2004, 06:13 pm
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like I said www.acura-cl.com has all the details of the long transmission
saga
they were repacing transmissions only for a while last year then
transmissions plus the computer and (in some cases) the fuel pressure
regulator.

"Ghislain" <ghislaing@istopDOTcom> wrote in message
news:4159d3db$1_7@corp.newsgroups.com...
> My dealer certainly hasn't looked at more than a few dozen recalled cars,
> but they have replaced at least 3 transmissions (one apparently failed
> during the test drive after installing the kit).
>
> I've been told that both the transmisssion and the computer should be
> replaced at the same time. Has anyone else been told the same?
>
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BD7EDB63.9FE3F%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>>I know that's what they said at the time, about both the original warranty
>> extension and the current recall.
>>
>> I'm just relating now what I was told by the dealer when they performed
>> the
>> recall, which was: "When they first started failing, they didn't know
>> what
>> was going on. There were different failures in different models, in the
>> TL's it was usually the third gear clutch pack. Now that serious
>> engineering analysis has been completed, they believe this was the actual
>> cause and this is the fix."
>>
>> The dealer also told me that of the 3000 cars they sold which are subject
>> to
>> the recall, they had looked at just over 600 of them at that point and
>> only
>> replaced two transmissions, unfortunately both in the same car (the first
>> replacement had a crack in the case).
>>
>> I, for one, hope this is true and he wasn't just blowing smoke up my ass.
>>
>> After they did the recall on my '00 TL, (they just added the kit, they
>> did
>> not replace the transmission, currently at 53k miles), the shift points
>> and
>> overall shifting behavior were different. At first there was some
>> indecision
>> in it and I detected a slight shudder when it downshifted.
>>
>> I pulled the backup fuse (which clears the memory of the DTC (drive train
>> computer) - fuse 13 in the passenger side under dash fuse box) because I
>> read somewhere that will make it forget any adaptive behavior it has
>> evolved
>> and force it to relearn. After that all the weirdness went away and it
>> shifts pretty much the way I remember it from new. It is also taking
>> half
>> as long to switch between reverse and drive now and downshifts are
>> quicker
>> and definitive - the shudder is gone.
>>
>> I've still got my fingers crossed, but all is good so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/04 9:51 PM, in article 072dnXvjzNMtTMXcRVn-uA@comcast.com,
>> "Person
>> of Interest" <dum@Trescue.com> wrote:
>>
>>> nope - the recall is for possible tranny lock up due to overheated 2nd
>>> gear
>>> and possible installation of a kludge to squirt more oil on it to keep
>>> it
>>> cool.
>>>
>>> the problem that resulted in the extended warranty is 3rd gear clutch
>>> failure.
>>> I'm on #3 transmission, got 24K miles each on the first two. 2001 -
>>> 2004's
>>> are still failing.
>>>
>>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
>>> news:BD7DAE92.9F7B5%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
>>>> On 9/27/04 9:26 AM, in article 4158207c.3831156@news.verizon.net, "Jon
>>>> Klapper" <captainjon@federalhill.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just bought a used (83K mi.) 2000 TL for cash and drove it about 100
>>>>> mi - YOW!!! - third gear went wacko on me. I've owned a variety of
>>>>> Hondas and Acuras for the past 25 years and NEVER spent more than
>>>>> $1,000 TOTAL during the life of any of the vehicles we've owned.
>>>>> Imagine my surprise......
>>>>>
>>>>> After some research I discovered, after the fact, that Acura/Honda has
>>>>> been making weak trannys but extended the warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Took it to the dealer and after holding my breath for several days I
>>>>> just got the call with the GOOD NEWS that they will replace the tranny
>>>>> for not-one-cent out of this poor schmo's pocket!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems the "transmission shift solenoid" has gotten a mind of its own
>>>>> and decided to make 3rd gear periodically disappear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else have this problem? Seems like a big item repair for a
>>>>> small part. Not that I care.....................
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't sound like the reason they usually give for failure, but the
>>>> transmission warranty on that car is 7 years & 100,000 miles, so enjoy
>>>> your
>>>> new trans & you still have 17,000 miles to decide if its a keeper.
>>>>
>>>> I think the transmission problems might be getting sorted out. The
>>>> recent
>>>> recall (which also applies to your car) supposedly fixes what was
>>>> causing
>>>> the failures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>

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Old 28 Sep 2004, 06:52 pm
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:12:04 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:
>I pulled the backup fuse (which clears the memory of the DTC (drive train
>computer) - fuse 13 in the passenger side under dash fuse box) because I
>read somewhere that will make it forget any adaptive behavior it has evolved
>and force it to relearn. After that all the weirdness went away and it
>shifts pretty much the way I remember it from new. It is also taking half
>as long to switch between reverse and drive now and downshifts are quicker
>and definitive - the shudder is gone.


Kinky. Can someone say more about this adaptive behavior feature?
Which other Acura/Honda models have had it?

Thanks!

J.


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Old 01 Oct 2004, 10:01 pm
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The happy ending continues. I just picked up my TL after a week at the
dealer. They installed a new (probably rebuilt) trans and something
called a PCM. Anyone know what that is? I was happy to pay the
bill.........A BIG FAT ZERO!

I might just try that fuse thing. It seems to over-rev in 2nd a
little. It just might be that I'm not used to it - last car was the
Accord with that sedate little 4 cyl engine.

Drooled over the new TL's. Had that metallic midnight Blue... YOW!

Jon Klapper
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