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Old 27 May 2004, 04:28 am
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Default Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was wondering
about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?

THanks


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Old 27 May 2004, 04:36 pm
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:

>I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was wondering
>about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
>What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?
>
>THanks
>
>

Change the oil a new car comes with SOON, after 100 miles or so to
flush out the particles a new engine generates.

Use conventional petroleum oil for the first 7,500 - 10,000 miles,
changing every 3,000. This will give the engine a chance to fully
break-in.

Switch to synthetic thereafter. Change it every 7,500.

My 90 legend has 172,000 miles, 130,000 of them on Castrol Syntec
5w-50 and STILL doesn't use any oil.
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Old 27 May 2004, 10:32 pm
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

I would ask myself this questions, how long do I want to keep it?

Long time....go with syn
3 yr lease or so...dyno

Drain it after 5000 miles and use a good quality oil filter.

Mango




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Old 27 May 2004, 10:37 pm
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

sounds like a good plan, except i would choose Mobil-1 over Castrol.

2 major reason to use good synthetic:

1) much less sludge
2) service interval is longer

most conventional oils meet the temp/friction requirements. synths will
outperform conventional oils at the extremes (shear and viscosity at the
etxreme edges of temp range, like -25F to +450F).



"Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40b64f47.20394075@netnews.comcast.net...
> On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was

wondering
> >about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
> >What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?
> >
> >THanks
> >
> >

> Change the oil a new car comes with SOON, after 100 miles or so to
> flush out the particles a new engine generates.
>
> Use conventional petroleum oil for the first 7,500 - 10,000 miles,
> changing every 3,000. This will give the engine a chance to fully
> break-in.
>
> Switch to synthetic thereafter. Change it every 7,500.
>
> My 90 legend has 172,000 miles, 130,000 of them on Castrol Syntec
> 5w-50 and STILL doesn't use any oil.



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Old 28 May 2004, 12:13 am
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?


"Kryptoknight" <kryptoknight@att.net> wrote in message
news:PBxtc.1972$_k3.41673@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> sounds like a good plan, except i would choose Mobil-1 over Castrol.
>
> 2 major reason to use good synthetic:
>
> 1) much less sludge
> 2) service interval is longer
>
> most conventional oils meet the temp/friction requirements. synths will
> outperform conventional oils at the extremes (shear and viscosity at the
> etxreme edges of temp range, like -25F to +450F).
>
>
>
> "Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:40b64f47.20394075@netnews.comcast.net...
> > On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was

> wondering
> > >about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
> > >What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?
> > >
> > >THanks
> > >
> > >

> > Change the oil a new car comes with SOON, after 100 miles or so to
> > flush out the particles a new engine generates.
> >
> > Use conventional petroleum oil for the first 7,500 - 10,000 miles,
> > changing every 3,000. This will give the engine a chance to fully
> > break-in.
> >
> > Switch to synthetic thereafter. Change it every 7,500.
> >
> > My 90 legend has 172,000 miles, 130,000 of them on Castrol Syntec
> > 5w-50 and STILL doesn't use any oil.

>
>


My '98 Acura EL has 369,000 km and runs like new. No oil consumption at all
betwen changes, full power to red line, no noises, etc. The only repair to
date has been to replace a cracked intake manifold (a known issue with this
engine).

My secret? Changing the oil and filter at Mr. Lube (or equivalent) every
6000 km. I just use the "house" brand oil - Castrol GTX 5W-30.

How would synthetic oil have improved on this experience?

Imants Krumins
Transport Engineer and long distance commuter


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Old 28 May 2004, 10:22 am
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

On 5/27/04 3:36 PM, in article 40b64f47.20394075@netnews.comcast.net,
"Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was wondering
>> about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
>> What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?
>>
>> THanks
>>
>>

> Change the oil a new car comes with SOON, after 100 miles or so to
> flush out the particles a new engine generates.
>
> Use conventional petroleum oil for the first 7,500 - 10,000 miles,
> changing every 3,000. This will give the engine a chance to fully
> break-in.
>



Honda/Acura has published several times that you absolutely should not do
the first oil change that soon. They use a break-in oil and your rings will
not be seated properly if you don't leave it in for the prescribed interval.
Whatever oil you decide to use, follow the manufacturer's maintenance
schedule that you will find in the owner's manual that will come with the
car.


> Switch to synthetic thereafter. Change it every 7,500.
>
> My 90 legend has 172,000 miles, 130,000 of them on Castrol Syntec
> 5w-50 and STILL doesn't use any oil.


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Old 28 May 2004, 12:44 pm
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:
>I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was wondering
>about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
>What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?


Necessity is zero.

Honda swears you only need to change even regular oil every 10k miles,
or 5k for heavy driving (short trips, or driving like maniac). These
new tech aluminum engines are just not your old-fashioned Motown iron
horses.

In any case, you probably want to follow the book and keep the
original oil in for 5k miles, before even considering synth.

J.

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Old 28 May 2004, 01:08 pm
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

On Fri, 28 May 2004 14:22:14 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 5/27/04 3:36 PM, in article 40b64f47.20394075@netnews.comcast.net,
>"Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was wondering
>>> about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
>>> What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?
>>>
>>> THanks
>>>
>>>

>> Change the oil a new car comes with SOON, after 100 miles or so to
>> flush out the particles a new engine generates.
>>
>> Use conventional petroleum oil for the first 7,500 - 10,000 miles,
>> changing every 3,000. This will give the engine a chance to fully
>> break-in.
>>

>
>
>Honda/Acura has published several times that you absolutely should not do
>the first oil change that soon. They use a break-in oil and your rings will
>not be seated properly if you don't leave it in for the prescribed interval.
>Whatever oil you decide to use, follow the manufacturer's maintenance
>schedule that you will find in the owner's manual that will come with the
>car.


Good catch. I meant to write 100 miles or as the manufacturer
recommends. Mea culpa.

What is the exact milage for the FIRST oil change?
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Old 29 May 2004, 10:43 am
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

On 5/28/04 12:08 PM, in article 40b770fc.5867587@netnews.comcast.net,
"Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 May 2004 14:22:14 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/27/04 3:36 PM, in article 40b64f47.20394075@netnews.comcast.net,
>> "Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was wondering
>>>> about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
>>>> What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?
>>>>
>>>> THanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Change the oil a new car comes with SOON, after 100 miles or so to
>>> flush out the particles a new engine generates.
>>>
>>> Use conventional petroleum oil for the first 7,500 - 10,000 miles,
>>> changing every 3,000. This will give the engine a chance to fully
>>> break-in.
>>>

>>
>>
>> Honda/Acura has published several times that you absolutely should not do
>> the first oil change that soon. They use a break-in oil and your rings will
>> not be seated properly if you don't leave it in for the prescribed interval.
>> Whatever oil you decide to use, follow the manufacturer's maintenance
>> schedule that you will find in the owner's manual that will come with the
>> car.

>
> Good catch. I meant to write 100 miles or as the manufacturer
> recommends. Mea culpa.
>
> What is the exact milage for the FIRST oil change?


They say you should leave it in for the regular change interval, either
normal or severe usage, whichever is appropriate to your driving.

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Old 31 May 2004, 12:24 pm
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Default Re: Necessity for Synthetic oil for my Acura?

On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:43:10 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:

>On 5/28/04 12:08 PM, in article 40b770fc.5867587@netnews.comcast.net,
>"Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 May 2004 14:22:14 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/27/04 3:36 PM, in article 40b64f47.20394075@netnews.comcast.net,
>>> "Natman" <nat_mann@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:30 GMT, "AL" <AL@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will be purchasing a new 2004 Acura EL very shortly, and I was wondering
>>>>> about the necessity/differences/cost one would get using synthetic oil?
>>>>> What should my maintenance schedule look like for using synthetic oil?
>>>>>
>>>>> THanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Change the oil a new car comes with SOON, after 100 miles or so to
>>>> flush out the particles a new engine generates.
>>>>
>>>> Use conventional petroleum oil for the first 7,500 - 10,000 miles,
>>>> changing every 3,000. This will give the engine a chance to fully
>>>> break-in.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Honda/Acura has published several times that you absolutely should not do
>>> the first oil change that soon. They use a break-in oil and your rings will
>>> not be seated properly if you don't leave it in for the prescribed interval.
>>> Whatever oil you decide to use, follow the manufacturer's maintenance
>>> schedule that you will find in the owner's manual that will come with the
>>> car.

>>
>> Good catch. I meant to write 100 miles or as the manufacturer
>> recommends. Mea culpa.
>>
>> What is the exact milage for the FIRST oil change?

>
>They say you should leave it in for the regular change interval, either
>normal or severe usage, whichever is appropriate to your driving.
>

If that's 7,500 miles that's an awfully long time to leave in the
first oil. The first few hundred miles generates a lot of metal
particles as piston rings and other parts polish themselves to fit.

I'd compromise and change the initial oil at 100 - 500 miles and then
refill it with "break in oil" for the remainder of the first standard
interval.

BTW what exactly is "break in oil", where do you get it and how is it
different from regular petroleum oil?
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