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This morning it was cold and snowy in Georgia and I decided to drive my `92
Integra GSR, which I hadn't driven in a month. It cranked right up and ran
great all the way to the gas station. I filled it up....and it wouldn't
crank.

The starter is turning over fine. I'm thinking either fuel ir ignition.
Could my fuel pump or lines have frozen over (it's 32 here)? It was really
low on gas.

Has anyone seen where a jump will spin it over faster so that it will crank?

On 2/26/04 5:52 AM, in article Opl%b.23784$0k2.2665@bignews4.bellsouth.net,
"unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This morning it was cold and snowy in Georgia and I decided to drive my `92
> Integra GSR, which I hadn't driven in a month. It cranked right up and ran
> great all the way to the gas station. I filled it up....and it wouldn't
> crank.
>
> The starter is turning over fine. I'm thinking either fuel ir ignition.
> Could my fuel pump or lines have frozen over (it's 32 here)? It was really
> low on gas.
>
> Has anyone seen where a jump will spin it over faster so that it will crank?
>
>
If its turning over its cranking. If it cranks too slow and a jump speeds
it up to where it starts, then you need a battery.

Ok....I just had it towed home. Here's the deal:
I jumped it and it didn't crank.
Checked the spark at plugs - none.
Voltage good at coil and ignitor control module.
Ohmed the coil and is in specs at .7 ohms on the primary and 10Kohms on the
secondary.

Sounds to me like the ignitor. It's 32 and sleeting ...so i'll wait to hook
up the oscilliscope to the ICM and see if it's pulsing the coil.




"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:BC6367E2.50302%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> On 2/26/04 5:52 AM, in article
Opl%b.23784$0k2.2665@bignews4.bellsouth.net,
> "unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > This morning it was cold and snowy in Georgia and I decided to drive my
`92
> > Integra GSR, which I hadn't driven in a month. It cranked right up and
ran
> > great all the way to the gas station. I filled it up....and it wouldn't
> > crank.
> >
> > The starter is turning over fine. I'm thinking either fuel ir ignition.
> > Could my fuel pump or lines have frozen over (it's 32 here)? It was
really
> > low on gas.
> >
> > Has anyone seen where a jump will spin it over faster so that it will
crank?
> >
> >
> If its turning over its cranking. If it cranks too slow and a jump speeds
> it up to where it starts, then you need a battery.
>

Ok...I've got no spark to the plugs. I scoped everything....ignitor IN,
OUT...coil IN, OUT...all good.

The only thing left is rotor cap or I've jumped time. I ohmed the rotor cap
and distributor and that checks good too. I'll check my timing next.

Any thoughts?



"unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Opl%b.23784$0k2.2665@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> This morning it was cold and snowy in Georgia and I decided to drive my
`92
> Integra GSR, which I hadn't driven in a month. It cranked right up and ran
> great all the way to the gas station. I filled it up....and it wouldn't
> crank.
>
> The starter is turning over fine. I'm thinking either fuel ir ignition.
> Could my fuel pump or lines have frozen over (it's 32 here)? It was really
> low on gas.
>
> Has anyone seen where a jump will spin it over faster so that it will
crank?
>
>

Did you try just take off the distributor cap and watch to see if the rotor
turns when somebody runs the starter? If it doesn't turn, the timing belt
probably broke.

On 3/3/04 5:28 PM, in article nQt1c.5549$rB4.2786@bignews6.bellsouth.net,
"unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ok...I've got no spark to the plugs. I scoped everything....ignitor IN,
> OUT...coil IN, OUT...all good.
>
> The only thing left is rotor cap or I've jumped time. I ohmed the rotor cap
> and distributor and that checks good too. I'll check my timing next.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> "unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Opl%b.23784$0k2.2665@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> This morning it was cold and snowy in Georgia and I decided to drive my
> `92
>> Integra GSR, which I hadn't driven in a month. It cranked right up and ran
>> great all the way to the gas station. I filled it up....and it wouldn't
>> crank.
>>
>> The starter is turning over fine. I'm thinking either fuel ir ignition.
>> Could my fuel pump or lines have frozen over (it's 32 here)? It was really
>> low on gas.
>>
>> Has anyone seen where a jump will spin it over faster so that it will
> crank?
>>
>>
>
>

Oh yeah..it turns and the camshafts are moving.


"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:BC6BC7EC.5357A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> Did you try just take off the distributor cap and watch to see if the
rotor
> turns when somebody runs the starter? If it doesn't turn, the timing belt
> probably broke.
>
> On 3/3/04 5:28 PM, in article nQt1c.5549$rB4.2786@bignews6.bellsouth.net,
> "unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok...I've got no spark to the plugs. I scoped everything....ignitor IN,
> > OUT...coil IN, OUT...all good.
> >
> > The only thing left is rotor cap or I've jumped time. I ohmed the rotor
cap
> > and distributor and that checks good too. I'll check my timing next.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> > "unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:Opl%b.23784$0k2.2665@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> >> This morning it was cold and snowy in Georgia and I decided to drive my
> > `92
> >> Integra GSR, which I hadn't driven in a month. It cranked right up and
ran
> >> great all the way to the gas station. I filled it up....and it wouldn't
> >> crank.
> >>
> >> The starter is turning over fine. I'm thinking either fuel ir ignition.
> >> Could my fuel pump or lines have frozen over (it's 32 here)? It was
really
> >> low on gas.
> >>
> >> Has anyone seen where a jump will spin it over faster so that it will
> > crank?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Ok...no one picked up on this and I was stupid to do it but hooking up
a scope to the secondary of a coil should not be done without a high
voltage probe, preferably one that can handle up to 50,000 volts.

The fact that I did not smoke my scope is a clue. If everything was
working properly I certainly would have. Obviously the voltage is not
high enough at the secondary....not high enough for the neccessary
arcing across to the distributor's cylinder contact.

At this point I think that I have a shorted primary. Many people have
posted saying that their coils tested good but wound up being bad.
Probably because when you're measuring .7 volts on the primary, you're
not going to see any difference with shorted turns in the coil.




"unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<fru1c.38865$0l1.16387@bignews3.bellsouth.net >...
> Oh yeah..it turns and the camshafts are moving.
>
>
> "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:BC6BC7EC.5357A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org...
> > Did you try just take off the distributor cap and watch to see if the
> rotor
> > turns when somebody runs the starter? If it doesn't turn, the timing belt
> > probably broke.
> >
> > On 3/3/04 5:28 PM, in article nQt1c.5549$rB4.2786@bignews6.bellsouth.net,
> > "unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ok...I've got no spark to the plugs. I scoped everything....ignitor IN,
> > > OUT...coil IN, OUT...all good.
> > >
> > > The only thing left is rotor cap or I've jumped time. I ohmed the rotor
> cap
> > > and distributor and that checks good too. I'll check my timing next.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "unix-freak" <mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Opl%b.23784$0k2.2665@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> > >> This morning it was cold and snowy in Georgia and I decided to drive my
> `92
> > >> Integra GSR, which I hadn't driven in a month. It cranked right up and
> ran
> > >> great all the way to the gas station. I filled it up....and it wouldn't
> > >> crank.
> > >>
> > >> The starter is turning over fine. I'm thinking either fuel ir ignition.
> > >> Could my fuel pump or lines have frozen over (it's 32 here)? It was
> really
> > >> low on gas.
> > >>
> > >> Has anyone seen where a jump will spin it over faster so that it will
> crank?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >

In article <fru1c.38865$0l1.16387@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, unix-freak
<mandrakemaniac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oh yeah..it turns and the camshafts are moving.
>


Try pulling a spark plug and see if the injectors are delivering the
fuel. If not, it may be that the pump overheated and shorted out from
running dry. Another possibility could be that the sediment in the
lower portion of the tank blocked the inlet on the fuel pump causing
fuel starvation.

In these cases, try to follow this simple rule:

FAST

Fuel, Air, Spark, Timing

If you check all of these with positive results, there's no logical
reason you shouldn't have ignition.

Are you 100% sure that the ICM and the coil are ok? It could also be
the main EFI relay but I don't think so unless you left the car in the
hot sun for awhile.



Good luck.. let us know.

Andrew.

I put my money on the coil or the ICM (in that order).

Andrew.

The coil is bad. I bench tested it last night and it's secondary peaked at
16 volts....lol. It appears that there are some shorted turns in the
primary. That's why many people claim that the coil measures fine but is
bad. Since the primary has such a low resistance, one would not be able to
tell if there were shorted turns.

The ignitor tested good. I scoped it's input and the ECU looked good. The
ignitor's output (coil's primary input) also looked fine 0-12V. With a 16V
output from the coil there's not a cold chance in hell that the rotor cap is
going to arc across to the distributor. It needs thousands of volts to do
that!


"The Good Bohemian" <neex@redbull.nu> wrote in message
news:050320040119225889%neex@redbull.nu...
>
>
> I put my money on the coil or the ICM (in that order).
>
> Andrew.