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Old 28 Jul 2012, 12:42 pm
JRStern
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:12:16 -1000, dsi1
<dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/19/2012 6:15 PM, JRStern wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:17:46 -1000, dsi1
>> <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/13/2012 3:44 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:20:07 -1000, dsi1
>>>> <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The Vega (intro 1968) was in no way related to the Fiat, the 124 line
>>>>>> was barely begun at that point, and afaik didn't gain a good
>>>>>> reputation until several years later, circa 1972.

>>
>> ...
>>> The timeline works fine cause the Fiat 124 coupe came out in 1967 and
>>> the Chevy Vega came out in the 70's. You must be thinking of some other
>>> car named "Vega."

>>
>>
>> Whatever I Googled the other day said 1968, checking today Wikipedia
>> says 1970. It's still a stretch. And just look at the cars.

>
>I'm familiar with both cars. The 1970 Vega sedan's body is an obvious
>rip off of a 67 124 coupe. You must have the wrong cars in mind.


http://www.google.com/search?num=10&...ac.g03KVM5vAic

Y'know, I drove the 1971 coupe for years, I'd test driven the older
models, and it never, ever occurred to me there was the slightest
design link between the Fiat and the Vega.

BUT now, looking at these pics, I sort of see, it's not impossible!
Of course it's a terrible copy, GM turning a light, quick, low-belt
line sport car into a high-belted, slow-moving toy boat.

And on any construction or technology comparisons, I'll just take your
word for it, I guess.

Well, live and learn, 40 years later. Thanks.

J.

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Old 29 Jul 2012, 04:33 pm
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On 7/28/2012 7:42 AM, JRStern wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:12:16 -1000, dsi1
> <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 7/19/2012 6:15 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:17:46 -1000, dsi1
>>> <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/13/2012 3:44 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:20:07 -1000, dsi1
>>>>> <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Vega (intro 1968) was in no way related to the Fiat, the 124 line
>>>>>>> was barely begun at that point, and afaik didn't gain a good
>>>>>>> reputation until several years later, circa 1972.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>> The timeline works fine cause the Fiat 124 coupe came out in 1967 and
>>>> the Chevy Vega came out in the 70's. You must be thinking of some other
>>>> car named "Vega."
>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever I Googled the other day said 1968, checking today Wikipedia
>>> says 1970. It's still a stretch. And just look at the cars.

>>
>> I'm familiar with both cars. The 1970 Vega sedan's body is an obvious
>> rip off of a 67 124 coupe. You must have the wrong cars in mind.

>
> http://www.google.com/search?num=10&...ac.g03KVM5vAic
>
> Y'know, I drove the 1971 coupe for years, I'd test driven the older
> models, and it never, ever occurred to me there was the slightest
> design link between the Fiat and the Vega.
>
> BUT now, looking at these pics, I sort of see, it's not impossible!
> Of course it's a terrible copy, GM turning a light, quick, low-belt
> line sport car into a high-belted, slow-moving toy boat.


My 2006 Hyundai Sonata is a dead ringer for an Audi A4. The new Sonatas
look like BMWs. Oh boy.

>
> And on any construction or technology comparisons, I'll just take your
> word for it, I guess.


The Fiat system of valve buckets and shim adjusters was used on VWs and
Volvos and probably other cars. They are interchangeable between the
makes. The disk parking brake system where the pistons are retracted by
rotating them is a Fiat design I believe, but I may be wrong.

>
> Well, live and learn, 40 years later. Thanks.
>
> J.
>


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Old 01 Aug 2012, 09:50 pm
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dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

>My 2006 Hyundai Sonata is a dead ringer for an Audi A4. The new Sonatas
>look like BMWs


Get new glasses.

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Old 02 Aug 2012, 11:27 am
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Should have gone to SpecSavers... (advert strapline for a UK-based
optician/spectacle company).

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> dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>>My 2006 Hyundai Sonata is a dead ringer for an Audi A4. The new Sonatas
>>look like BMWs

>
> Get new glasses.
>



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Old 02 Aug 2012, 02:18 pm
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On 8/1/2012 4:50 PM, dizzy wrote:
> dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>> My 2006 Hyundai Sonata is a dead ringer for an Audi A4. The new Sonatas
>> look like BMWs

>
> Get new glasses.
>


This is good advice. It best that you heed yourself. :-)
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Old 03 Aug 2012, 09:05 am
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dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>On 8/1/2012 4:50 PM, dizzy wrote:
>> dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> My 2006 Hyundai Sonata is a dead ringer for an Audi A4. The new Sonatas
>>> look like BMWs

>>
>> Get new glasses.

>
>This is good advice. It best that you heed yourself. :-)


And the early-nineties Honda Accords look an awful lot like an E28 from the
rear. Many other car makers like to copy the styling of the big European
brands and so their cars look a lot like Audi's or BMW's offering of a few
years back. That's fine as long as you're not trying to find your car in
a crowded parking lot full of Accords.
--scott
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Old 03 Aug 2012, 04:13 pm
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On 8/3/2012 4:05 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>> On 8/1/2012 4:50 PM, dizzy wrote:
>>> dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My 2006 Hyundai Sonata is a dead ringer for an Audi A4. The new Sonatas
>>>> look like BMWs
>>>
>>> Get new glasses.

>>
>> This is good advice. It best that you heed yourself. :-)

>
> And the early-nineties Honda Accords look an awful lot like an E28 from the
> rear. Many other car makers like to copy the styling of the big European
> brands and so their cars look a lot like Audi's or BMW's offering of a few
> years back. That's fine as long as you're not trying to find your car in
> a crowded parking lot full of Accords.
> --scott
>


Remember the Ford Granada? Maybe not but here's a refresher:


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Old 04 Aug 2012, 11:17 am
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On 3 Aug 2012 10:05:35 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>On 8/1/2012 4:50 PM, dizzy wrote:
>>> dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My 2006 Hyundai Sonata is a dead ringer for an Audi A4. The new Sonatas
>>>> look like BMWs
>>>
>>> Get new glasses.

>>
>>This is good advice. It best that you heed yourself. :-)

>
>And the early-nineties Honda Accords look an awful lot like an E28 from the
>rear.


My 1987 Accord was a 80% scale model of the current Mercedes E300, I
think it was. I'd been admiring it in parking lots and chuckling about
it for a year before I had occassion to buy my own.

J.

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Old 06 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm
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dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
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>Remember the Ford Granada? Maybe not but here's a refresher:
>
>


AARGH! Some things are best forgotten.
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Old 06 Aug 2012, 06:16 pm
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On 8/6/2012 7:22 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> dsi1 <dsi1@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Remember the Ford Granada? Maybe not but here's a refresher:
>>
>>

>
> AARGH! Some things are best forgotten.
> --scott
>


The Granada to our eyes these days, look like just another dopy late 70s
car. Back then, the resemblance to Mercedes was obvious. Funny how that
works.
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