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Old 09 Sep 2003, 02:22 am
Steve Lee
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Default PING: AcuraGod (Sorry, turned out to be on the long side)

Hi AcuraGod,

I was wondering if you can tell me the labor hours billed for some of
the diagnostic routines I wish to have performed on my car? I
actually have a Pilot, not an MDX, but I thought perhaps there
wouldn't be too much of difference in the time involved to check out a
few things?

Any idea what a typical Acura or Honda dealer would charge for:
1. EGR valve/port check to make sure they're proper and clean.
2. Knock sensor check
3. Base ignition timing check
4. O2 sensor check
5. Valve clearance check
6. water pump check
7. hydraulic timing belt tension spring check (possbile oil/fluid
leak)
8. (related to #4, if it turned out to be faulty) compression test to
see if the valves are functioning properly and there's no damage to
them

The reason I'm asking this is because I'm still trying to get rid of
this faint pinging noise that comes on my Pilot is under moderately
hard to hard acceleration/load in between 2K-4K RPM. I think by the
time the RPM reaches about 4K, the pinging sound is drowned out by the
roar of the engine.

What worries me the most though is that this noise occasionally will
develop into a very noticeable crackle time to time and I let go of
the accelerator once I hear that for fears of damaging the engine.
So, I'm not sure if the crackle would be continuous or just momentary
if I kept pushing the gas pedal down.

My Pilot now has close to 30,000KM/18,500miles on it, but my Pilot
developed this noise shortly after I got it last Aug. I've tried many
different brands of gas and all their premium gas to see if I can make
the noise go away, but the noise level and the occurrence was pretty
much the same.

I've already performed this throttle cable bracket adjustment trick as
per the June 2003 Honda Service News, but didn't help me at all,
unfortunately. Also as per the same newsletter, I took off the
plastic intake manifold cover to see if the gasket was installed
upside down by checking the position of the gasket locating tab and it
looks to be installed correctly.

I also checked the catalytic converter shield and it looks to be in
place very tightly, with no play that would cause the pinging noise I
get.

I even went for a testdrive in one of the dealer's demo Pilot and
thought I heard a similar noise, but then I realized only after going
back to work from the dealer that I never performed the throttle cable
bracket adjustment before I took off in the demo. Arrrrrgh!!!!

I'm at my wit's end here. I've even had a service technician go for a
ride with me on a couple of different occasions (same person though),
even having him drive the car for a while, but just as the noise was
being replicated right there and then and pointing it out to him, he
was telling me that he didn't hear anything unusual. Perhaps when I
said "pininging noise", he was expecting one of those loud
knocking/pinging noise normally associated with older cars with carbon
build up, but since mine's on the faint side, he didn't quite hear it.

But I drive this car pretty much everyday and I know it's there. I
wasn't able to duplicate the occasional crackle noise I get though.

So, I was planning to have my dealer perform those diagnostics and pay
for the services out of my own pocket if nothing was found to be the
culprit of my pinging problem, but if one of them indeed was causing
the noise, then my dealer can perform the fix as a warranty work.
That's why I'm curious about the labor hours.

As well, if you were having the same problem I was having with my
Pilot, what other things would you check out? Is this faint metallic
pinging or flutter noise normal with Ody/Pilot/MDX? I sincerely thank
you for your time and courtesy.
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Old 09 Sep 2003, 10:10 am
Steve Lee
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Default Re: PING: AcuraGod (Sorry, turned out to be on the long side)

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:41:54 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

>On 9/9/03 2:22 AM, in article qssqlvcji7v5ji8e1m9guc5om6pc03j1cj@4ax.com,
>"Steve Lee" <hate@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi AcuraGod,

[snip]
>> I also checked the catalytic converter shield and it looks to be in
>> place very tightly, with no play that would cause the pinging noise I
>> get.

>
>This thread has been running for so long, I don't remember it this has been
>suggested - have you checked underneath to make sure the noise is not being
>caused by the heat shielding around the exhaust pipe (loose, bent, touching
>something, etc.)?


Along with that, the only other heat shield I can think of is the one
to the leftside of the muffler and yeah, I checked that too. But the
noise definitely is coming from the engine area, from front of the
car.

You must be sick of my posts on pinging by now. Sorry, I really am.
But I really, really want to get rid of this noise.
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Old 13 Sep 2003, 04:27 pm
Joe Neugebauer
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Default Re: AcuraGod (Sorry, turned out to be on the long side)

I'm not knowledgeable with the pilot/MDX but I know some Acuras such as the
integra have a notorious exhaust rattle caused by loose packing in the
B-Pipe. Using my Integra as an example there is a pipe in the exhaust that
connects to the exhaust manifold. It is a pipe within a pipe. The packing
get loose and causes the pipe to rattle in itself. I don't know if this
applies to the pilot but you might ask. Other than that it seems like an
exhaust rattle. Hope this helps
"Steve Lee" <hate@spam.com> wrote in message
news:qssqlvcji7v5ji8e1m9guc5om6pc03j1cj@4ax.com...
> Hi AcuraGod,
>
> I was wondering if you can tell me the labor hours billed for some of
> the diagnostic routines I wish to have performed on my car? I
> actually have a Pilot, not an MDX, but I thought perhaps there
> wouldn't be too much of difference in the time involved to check out a
> few things?
>
> Any idea what a typical Acura or Honda dealer would charge for:
> 1. EGR valve/port check to make sure they're proper and clean.
> 2. Knock sensor check
> 3. Base ignition timing check
> 4. O2 sensor check
> 5. Valve clearance check
> 6. water pump check
> 7. hydraulic timing belt tension spring check (possbile oil/fluid
> leak)
> 8. (related to #4, if it turned out to be faulty) compression test to
> see if the valves are functioning properly and there's no damage to
> them
>
> The reason I'm asking this is because I'm still trying to get rid of
> this faint pinging noise that comes on my Pilot is under moderately
> hard to hard acceleration/load in between 2K-4K RPM. I think by the
> time the RPM reaches about 4K, the pinging sound is drowned out by the
> roar of the engine.
>
> What worries me the most though is that this noise occasionally will
> develop into a very noticeable crackle time to time and I let go of
> the accelerator once I hear that for fears of damaging the engine.
> So, I'm not sure if the crackle would be continuous or just momentary
> if I kept pushing the gas pedal down.
>
> My Pilot now has close to 30,000KM/18,500miles on it, but my Pilot
> developed this noise shortly after I got it last Aug. I've tried many
> different brands of gas and all their premium gas to see if I can make
> the noise go away, but the noise level and the occurrence was pretty
> much the same.
>
> I've already performed this throttle cable bracket adjustment trick as
> per the June 2003 Honda Service News, but didn't help me at all,
> unfortunately. Also as per the same newsletter, I took off the
> plastic intake manifold cover to see if the gasket was installed
> upside down by checking the position of the gasket locating tab and it
> looks to be installed correctly.
>
> I also checked the catalytic converter shield and it looks to be in
> place very tightly, with no play that would cause the pinging noise I
> get.
>
> I even went for a testdrive in one of the dealer's demo Pilot and
> thought I heard a similar noise, but then I realized only after going
> back to work from the dealer that I never performed the throttle cable
> bracket adjustment before I took off in the demo. Arrrrrgh!!!!
>
> I'm at my wit's end here. I've even had a service technician go for a
> ride with me on a couple of different occasions (same person though),
> even having him drive the car for a while, but just as the noise was
> being replicated right there and then and pointing it out to him, he
> was telling me that he didn't hear anything unusual. Perhaps when I
> said "pininging noise", he was expecting one of those loud
> knocking/pinging noise normally associated with older cars with carbon
> build up, but since mine's on the faint side, he didn't quite hear it.
>
> But I drive this car pretty much everyday and I know it's there. I
> wasn't able to duplicate the occasional crackle noise I get though.
>
> So, I was planning to have my dealer perform those diagnostics and pay
> for the services out of my own pocket if nothing was found to be the
> culprit of my pinging problem, but if one of them indeed was causing
> the noise, then my dealer can perform the fix as a warranty work.
> That's why I'm curious about the labor hours.
>
> As well, if you were having the same problem I was having with my
> Pilot, what other things would you check out? Is this faint metallic
> pinging or flutter noise normal with Ody/Pilot/MDX? I sincerely thank
> you for your time and courtesy.



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Old 13 Sep 2003, 04:57 pm
Steve Lee
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Default Re: AcuraGod (Sorry, turned out to be on the long side)

Cool, cool, another person had suggested that this might have
something to do with the exhaust components, so, next time I'm at the
dealer, I'll mention it. Thanks a bunch.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:27:05 -0700, "Joe Neugebauer"
<j.neugebauer@cox.net> wrote:

>I'm not knowledgeable with the pilot/MDX but I know some Acuras such as the
>integra have a notorious exhaust rattle caused by loose packing in the
>B-Pipe. Using my Integra as an example there is a pipe in the exhaust that
>connects to the exhaust manifold. It is a pipe within a pipe. The packing
>get loose and causes the pipe to rattle in itself. I don't know if this
>applies to the pilot but you might ask. Other than that it seems like an
>exhaust rattle. Hope this helps


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